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1 posted on 09/27/2013 1:26:05 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: jodyel

“not of works, lest any man should boast” or something like that.


2 posted on 09/27/2013 2:06:32 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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Give the names of documents. If you don’t give the name of the document in which these statements were supposedly made, these out-of-context snippets are meaningless.

And I suggest that the quotation from “Paul VI” is non-existent.

At any rate, the Catholic Church does not teach, and has never taught, that every person who is a not registered in a Catholic parish as a full-fledged, formal member of the Catholic Church is going to hell.


3 posted on 09/27/2013 2:14:23 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: jodyel

The quotation from Vatican II does not support your argument at all. To say that the “fullness” of helps to salvation are found in the Catholic Church in no way implies that no non-Catholic can be saved.


4 posted on 09/27/2013 2:16:49 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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2 Corinthians 6: 14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. ...

Galatians 1: ...3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

5 posted on 09/27/2013 2:20:11 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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Exodus 20: 2- You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. -(NOTE: This commandment is conveniently left out of the Roman Catholic list of commandments...)

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?


6 posted on 09/27/2013 2:29:29 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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Of course, to label the Catholic Church as a “cult,” one must simply ignore the lives of the saints—people who have exhibited heroic virtue—often to a degree that is in itself manifestly miraculous. Singing hymns while being roasted alive—stuff like that. Then there are the prodigious works of charity in the lives of the saints—the invention of the hospital by Catholics, and the foundation of tens of thousands of hospitals and the self-giving of millions of lives (mostly women religious in service to the sick and the poor). And the out-and-out miracles—prodigious healings of illness, lost limbs, lost eyes, etc.

Cf. the life Saint Pius—Padre Pio.


7 posted on 09/27/2013 2:30:27 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: jodyel

Never argue with a fool. Didn’t God say that?


9 posted on 09/27/2013 3:22:56 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: jodyel; Legatus

Now that’s interesting! The “quote” from Paul VI really was fake. And the real quote says exactly the opposite of the fake “quote.”

Now why would anyone do that?


10 posted on 09/27/2013 3:35:22 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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Another day, another pitch by the poor, sick puppies of the anti-Catholic wing.

Shouldn't you be examining your own souls? Attacking other Christians is wasteful and ignorant when the whole world is under desperate siege by Islamist and atheists.

You really should spend more time learning what Christianity really is..

14 posted on 09/27/2013 3:52:38 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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I’ve been long tempted to post this on many of these “my religion or sect is better than yours”, “your religion is a cult” religion threads but as I don’t have a horse running in any of these races, I haven’t up till now.

Teacher Atheist says, every time a bell rings Christians fight with each other, an angel get’s his wings atheist laughs his butt off.

Think about it for a moment then go back to attacking and arguing with each other. Carry on!

20 posted on 09/27/2013 4:24:33 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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These Catholic postings citing the Bible are useless; the Catholics do not BELIEVE the Bible — at least, not all of it. This was shared with me by staunch R.C. friends, one of whom studied for the priesthood. If there is EVER a conflict between what the Bible states and what popes decree, the popes always win.

Per these people, Catholics believe the parts of the Bible they want to believe; the rest is “just stories”.

Of course, any “religion” that raises a man’s word above God’s Word is a cult. Observing extra-biblical fantasies is another criterion.

Gotta love America where anyone can believe anything he chooses. If he chooses to reject God and worship anyone else, living or dead, there are consequences in the hereafter. It’s all about choices.


21 posted on 09/27/2013 4:25:08 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("A hyphenated American is not an American at all." Teddy Roosevelt)
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The sign we will focus on here is the teaching of exclusivity. Cults will declare that they are the only way to heaven. Apart from them there is no salvation. They alone are the repositories of truth and all must join them to be saved.

You mean like fundamentalist Protestants who say (a) only Christians can be saved, and (b) Catholics aren't Christians, Orthodox aren't Christians, most other professing Christians aren't really Christians, and (c) the only real Christians are people in their little group, and a few like it? Like them?

Pot, kettle, black. Pretty amusing to condemn another group for its falsely alleged "exclusivity". Do you not see the blatant irony?

25 posted on 09/27/2013 5:11:17 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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A "cult" is defined as any manipulative, cash-generating scam that funnels money away from the manipulative, cash-generating scam you happen to believe in. :)
30 posted on 09/27/2013 5:44:17 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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Okay.

Now that it has been proven (use the link above, to the Vatican website) that the “quote” from Pope Paul VI was fake—that, indeed, it said the OPPOSITE of “all non-Catholics are damned,” are you going to inquire of the author of the webpage you cut-and-pasted why he would publish a fake “quote” from a Pope?

I mean, it seems that a person is either interested in pursuing and spreading the truth, or he is the kind of person who uses fake quotations. I can’t see how anybody can be both!


33 posted on 09/27/2013 6:07:46 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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I don't know. Mind, I don't disagree particularly, either, nor agree especially.

However, based on the test of exclusivity, does this make Christianity a cult? Even if Christianity (by which I mean accepting Christ as Savior) is right, which it is?

34 posted on 09/27/2013 6:10:01 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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You’ve teased the dog.

Now do NOT complain if it bites you later!


71 posted on 09/27/2013 10:06:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jodyel

I had no idea that popes were required to shout everything.


127 posted on 09/27/2013 5:35:39 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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I read this gibberish rant, including the shouted part, wasting 7 minutes of precious lifetime. This subliterate clown first creates his own private definition of something or other (yes I know, 'cult' D'UH, but it could be spaghetti sauce, or global warming), and then, SURPRISE! (sorry) stuffs some part of the universe into this cute definition. Kindergarten age children do that when they invent their own fantasy worlds. There is a name for this kind of crude propagandistic technique when mentally deficient or cynical adults do it, which escapes me at the moment.

And the Catholic Church haters, who haven't converted a single soul here to their heresy, oughta listen to Fats Domino:

Keep a-knockin' but you can't come in,
Keep a-knockin' but you can't come in,
Come back tomorrow and try again...

Which they of course will. With the same pitiful results.

142 posted on 09/27/2013 6:47:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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