Posted on 09/24/2013 2:07:47 PM PDT by Rashputin
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
You create the condition that you say is not necessary. And if the person refuses to be baptized, what then?
He was saved by his Faith in Jesus. Even the Old Testament heros were saved by their faith that God would provide a redeemer. And they were saved without baptism.
He was saved by his Faith in Jesus. Even the Old Testament heros were saved by their faith that God would provide a redeemer. And they were saved without baptism.
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
And they were saved without baptism.
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And they were saved without confessing Jesus is LORD as well.
So would you also argue then that we today can be saved without confessing? Using your logic - them O/T dudes were saved that way. Why not us?
There are many verses that talk about salvation that do not mention Baptism. John 3:16 for example.
Clearly baptism is commanded and we should do it. But it's faith that saves not the baptism ceremony.
There are many verses that talk about salvation that do not mention Baptism. John 3:16 for example.
Clearly baptism is commanded and we should do it. But it's faith that saves not the baptism ceremony.
Savior, save, salvation and:
Baptism - “... in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. There is also an antitype which now saves us - baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 3:20-21)
Faith - “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that (note: grammatically “that” refers back to its proper antecedent, “faith”) not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Christ - “Then the angel said to them, ‘Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.’” (Luke 2:10-11)
I give only one verse for each, but there are many more that could be cited for the support of each.
Jesus saves.
Baptism saves.
Faith saves.
All are true. All are scripture. All are the very word and promise of God. None is to be set in opposition to the others. What God has joined, let not man separate. There is no contradiction here, but there is often misunderstanding, miseducation, and misguided zeal in defending the truth of one to the undermining of the truth of the others. The devil loves it when Christians play that game.
This is worth bearing in mind if this post is to initiate a profitable discussion.
1. For faith "alone" cannot save
a. As declared by Jesus - cf. Mt 7:21; Lk 6:46
b. As taught by His apostles - cf. Ro 6:17-18; He 5:9; Jm 2:14,17,20,24,26; 1Pe 1:22
2. For baptism is essential to salvation
a. According to Jesus - Jn 3:5; Mk 16:16; Mt 28:18-20
b. According to His apostles - Ac 2:38; 22:16; Col 2:12-13; Tit 3:5; 1Pe 3:21
I’m with Spurgeon:
“The velvet has got into our ministers’ mouths of late, but we must unrobe ourselves of soft raiment, and truth must be spoken, and nothing but truth; for of all lies which have dragged millions down to hell, I look upon this as being one of the most atrocious — that in a Protestant Church there should be found those who swear that baptism saves the soul. Call a man a Baptist, or a Presbyterian, or a Dissenter, or a Churchman, that is nothing to me — if he says that baptism saves the soul, out upon him, out upon him, he states what God never taught, what the Bible never laid down, and what ought never to be maintained by men who profess that the Bible, and the whole Bible, is the religion of Protestants.”
A snippet from: Baptismal Regeneration
A Sermon (No. 573) Delivered at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington
by Charles Spurgeon, June 5th, 1864
http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/historic_controversies/baptismal_regeneration.aspx
I respect much of what Spurgeon did and said, but Mr. Spurgeon is not inspired and it proves nothing to appeal to him like holy scripture came out of his mouth. Search the Scriptures instead!
Which threads might those be?
From the source website, they sound almost like JW’s. Not surprised that they would cloak their true identity.
Please pat him on the back already before he dislocates a shoulder doing himself
Hi Hegs. Post #35 giving you trouble?
Spurgeon was mightily used of The Lord, but I reject all forms of popery. He was no more infallible than the Bishop of Rome. Where I find him in error I will happily say so. In this instance I have studied the issue for myself many times and I am in full agreement with him. And I happen to like that quote and that sermon. If you disagree with me that’s fine. I am a baptist and I am a firm believer in baptism. I simply believe salvation is, from beginning to end, of The Lord and that baptism follows as a sign of the gracious work God has done in the heart of a sinner.
And you can drop your haughty presumption. You know nothing of my understanding, my spiritual journey, or my education. I’m not going to debate this. I’m off to my Bible study.
Constant stream of comments is more accurate and appeaering on almost any thread in the RF.
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