Posted on 07/20/2013 1:45:48 PM PDT by NYer
“I don’t believe it...”
Doesn’t matter. It’s true whether you believe it or not.
“I’ll bet there’s lots of young men out there who be married and and Catholic priests as well if it was against the rules...”
Is that Ebonics? Can put that into English?
You need to read something other than Catholic history...There were plenty of anti Catholics from the get go...Peter and Paul are two good examples...
I think you need to find a new religion if you really feel that way.
I agree that this is not a direct survey about the characteristics of child molesters. I’d be interested in a better study too.
I don’t read this particular study the way you do. The part you quote was part of the review of the literature the authors used to assemble their survey questions.
The article shows that the professionals didn’t competely agree with that.
The study itself starts from the hypothesis that
“ students would be more likely to see abusers conforming to the stereotypical characteristics, whereas professionals’ perceptions would reflect characteristics of actual perpetrators.” Given who these people treat IMO that isn’t a bad assumption.
The research you quoted was certainly the basis for questions regarding “items describing potential demographic characteristics of abusers.”
The differences between that study and the impressions of the professionals were married state and educational level.
I'll take peer-reviewed studies that measure the actual thing over a survey that measures folks’ OPINIONS about the thing.
Over the years, I have seen peer-reviewed research that fails to support your bare, unsupported assertion - that the vast majority of child molesters are married men.
I've never seen a peer-reviewed study that directly measures the attribute that supports your unsupported assertion.
As for the opinions of mental health professionals, I'll say this. When I was a student in a clinical psychology Ph.D. program, the concept of mandatory reporting by health professionals of child sex abuse was a hot topic, just starting to gain traction in legislatures. Our professors, to a man and woman, were aghast that anyone would force psychotherapists, or any other health professional, to report child sex abuse.
Interestingly, every single student in my class, whether liberal or conservative, supported such legislation, to the horror of our faculty.
Whose perceptions were better? Students or faculty?
sitetest
I provided the specific Scripture reference. It’s up to you whether you want to read it or not.
I provided the specific Scripture reference. It’s up to you whether you want to read it or not.
Dear sitetest,
In the courses I have taken both for the public school and church positions I have filled, usually the pedophile is a person the child knows — the parent, teacher, coach or youth minister — and most of them seem to be leading a normal life.
So watch out if you know someone (a parent) who might lean this way, coaches the girls’ basketball team, teaches math is high school and is the youth minister!
All parameters need not be present to indicate a pedophile, but the person is a probable entry at the top of the list.
I saw no live links.
Read comment 101 ... slowly.
Tell me, what protestant denomination were Peter and Paul members of? And why they did the Catholic Church make "anti-Catholic" Peter their bishop of Rome?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
That’s ungodly, God instituted marriage and would not break up a marriage to do His work! It’s goes against His nature, doing something wrong for something right?
No live link that I can click on.
for St. Paul goes on to say that all things created by God are good.
1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for then it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. 6 If you put these instructions before the brethren, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the words of the faith and of the good doctrine which you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with godless and silly myths. Train yourself in godliness; 8 for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come. 9 The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance. 10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 Command and teach these things. 12 Let no one despise your youth, but set the believers an example in speech and conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. 14 Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the council of elders laid their hands upon you. 15 Practice these duties, devote yourself to them, so that all may see your progress. 16 Take heed to yourself and to your teaching; hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I sincerely hope you understand now what a live, clickable link is.
Well then you should be able to do your own survey of the research.
“unsupported”
I would call this an argument from authority since professionals who treat these people are generally considered as such. Actually my assertion was about pedophiles only not those who pursue teenagers. Child molester studies like the one with the characteristics list often mix the populations together.
Your argument is that you don’t recognize the authority of the opinion. Fair enough. But your reason for that is that they’re immoral??? I don’t see how morals (because someone won’t or will report crimes) means they can (students) or can’t (professionals) describe the population that produces the crime.
On reporting sex crimes ....the Catholic Church has defended the sanctity of confession on this very issue. Is it immoral too?
Here is something that might help better understand the *discipline* of priestly celibacy and 1Timothy4:3:
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/doesnt-1-timothy-43-disprove-the-priesthood
Perhaps you have misunderstood the article. The marriage remains intact except the husband is now also a priest.
Yes, celibate service is good. But “forbidding marriage” for your priests is “demonic.”
Yes, I admit that I see value in reading Scripture. If you want to dismiss that as “YOPIOS,” you’re free to do so at your spiritual peril.
I don't know what you are reading but as far as Theo interpreting scripture, it didn't exist...The scripture posted is plain, clear and straight to the point...No interpretation needed...
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
I think the problem is that the scripture is so plain and easy to understand, Catholics have to try to interpret the passages into something they don't mean because it certainly goes right to the heart of the deception of the Catholic religion...
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