Posted on 07/20/2013 1:45:48 PM PDT by NYer
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth."
You can read that passage in your preferred version as well -- http://biblehub.com/drb/1_timothy/4.htm -- it says the same thing.
Forbidding marriage among your leadership is, according to Scripture, demonic.
Just keeping it real.
Many of us do read what you write, Vlad, so keep up the good work.
You should know that your lack of replies will simply be assumed by others to be examples of what they are on your part. I don’t mind that. I also don’t mind pointing out your errors without rejoinder from you.
Thank you!
Seminarians are not forbidden to marry. They choose voluntarily to not marry and are then ordained as priests.
One of the many examples of how we can know that their religion is NOT the church of the bible...Their own bible that they claim they invented condemns their existence...
So if a seminarian chooses to marry, he then is still ordained as a priest...Right???
You wrote:
“So if a seminarian chooses to marry, he then is still ordained as a priest...Right???”
No, if he has chosen to marry, he has chosen not to be ordained.
The Catholic Church was around when the Bible was complied in the first place, and was the church responsible for doing so. Protestants didn't show up until the 1600s. Your argument makes no logical sense. Do you think your church got in a time machine and went back the 300s to issue the first bibles?
>> So if a seminarian chooses to marry, he then is still ordained as a priest...Right??? <<
Under certain Catholic traditions, yes. Obviously the Catholic priest in this article chose to marry and was then ordained a Catholic priest later on. There are dozens of married Catholics priests in the United States right now that are in good standing with the church and fully allowed to exercise their priesthood. People don't know about them because the Catholic Church doesn't advertise it, and clerical celibacy is the norm.
Read the post I’m responding to. The posters thesis is that a married priesthood will keep pedophiles at bay. My response is about the general population of pedophiles not the general population of married men.
**Forbidding marriage among your leadership is, according to Scripture, demonic.**
Scripture reference, please. The whole chapter not just one verse taken out of context.
Hi Sitest,
I was taught that in class some years ago. They thought they were married as a kind of smokescreen to get closer to their victims. Pedophiles were defined as the abusers of younger children, not teenagers. I’ve looked around for a proper cite but it tough finding decent information because of all the pro-homosexual propaganda. I note that a number of sites make a distinction between child molesters and pedophiles. That’s something my professors do not do. I does occur to me that the state of knowledge from that time may not apply now. (the population of married people was much higher 30 years ago). If I find that out I’ll come back to this thread and say so and take back my post.
The Child Sexual Abuser: Perceptions of College Students and Professionals1
http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/humans_web_04/deviance/Perceptions%20of%20Abuse.pdf
College students and members of the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers (ATSA) were compared as to their beliefs and attitudes concerning perpetrators of child sexual abuse. ......
Table I. Abuser Characteristics as Perceived by.......Professionals
Marital status (%)
Single/Never married .............12.1
Divorced................................... 9.1
Married....................................78.8
This compares with the perceptions of my professors. This paper was published in 2002. In the 2000 census the total population of single/never married men was 30%.
The flaw in your argument is that no man is forced to become a priest.
If a man chooses to become a priest in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, then he is signing on for celibacy, which Christ and St. Paul commend.
Are there any celibate clergy in your church? If not, why not?
Yes I would like to see a Scripture reference as well.
You know, because every spiritual, religious belief MUST be backed by the Bible.
I agree with your findings.
This research is about what students and professional believe about the attributes of child molesters, not research that actually statistically measures the attributes of child molesters.
Interestingly, it seems that the students’ perception of the attributes of child molesters may be superior to that of the professionals, at least in some regard. Here is a quote from the paper that you cite:
“Research indicates that most CSA perpetrators are White males, in their thirties, single, fairly well educated, and employed (Abel, Becker, Cunningham-Rathner, Mittelman, & Rouleau, 1988).” [emphasis added by me]
Thus, your cited research doesn't support what you said, that, “Pedophiles are almost always married men...”
In fact, a quick perusal suggests that the research you cite doesn't directly address the question, but in passing, says precisely the opposite of what you've asserted.
sitetest
Her “findings” don't say what she says they say.
They actually say the opposite.
sitetest
Please keep pinging me. This is an interesting question.
I don't believe it...I'll bet there's lots of young men out there who be married and and Catholic priests as well if it was against the rules...
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