Where Does the Bible Say We Should Pray to Dead Saints?

catholic-convert ^ | July 11, 2012 | Steve Ray

[Elsie]

St. Paul says in I Tim 3:15 that the Church (not the Bible) is the ground and pillar of the truth!

Not quite, but I can understand how the RCC would INTERPRET it that way:

1 Timothy 3:15 (kjv)

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

It appears that the Pillar and Ground of the Truth is the Living GOD.

[Elsie]

St. Paul says in I Tim 3:15 ...

He ALSO said, earlier in the chapter...

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

So; how many Catholic bishops are MARRIED?

[Elsie]

Ya know, I don’t live on FR.

My wife says that I do!

[Elsie]

Why does Christ tell Peter, and no one else, to “feed my sheep”?

I recall that ol' Pete was getting chastised at the time. I seem to remember he was told that THREE times.

I wonder why?

[Elsie]

I wonder why... Jesus answered a DIRECT question with a DIRECT answer in John 6:28-29?

[Elsie]

Why does Christ tell Peter, and no one else, to “feed my sheep”?

Why does Christ tell Peter, and no one else, to “get thee behind me; SATAN."?

[Elsie]

And the Saints are alive. :)

Smiling ain't gonna help.

Just WHO are the DEAD in Christ who will arise from their tombs?

[Elsie]

The saints in heaven are not dead, but alive in Christ.

I'll bet you can go to a LOT of your 'saints' tombs and dig them up.

Guess what you'll find?

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

I recall that ol' Pete was getting chastised at the time. I seem to remember he was told that THREE times.

Your point is, what?

The Church does not teach that the pope is impeccable, only that he teaches infallibly when he invokes that authority.

In the last two centuries, for example, that authority has only been invoked a handful of times.

[Elsie]

Are you arguing that every saint in heaven died?

Are you arguing that every person that the RCC has proclaimed to be a 'saint' is in Heaven?

[piusv]

Well, that’s partly true because miracles are not always necessary to be officially canonized (one example being Pope John XXIII). However, assuming it is always necessary, it still does not mean that the person now has God-like qualities (ie. able to perform the miracle him/herself).

Don’t forget that the apostles could perform miracles, drive out demons, heal the sick, etc, but we never say that they actually performed them, but that God performed the miracles through them.

[Elsie]

If yer gonna yell the shorthand, ya need the picture - right narses?

[petro45acp]

Doesn’t matter what Christians ‘agree’ on. Exercise volition, day to day, in a relationship that is one on one, and appreciate grace as much as possible.

It alone is the textbook (instructor needed) for life.

Your mileage may vary.

[Biggirl]

That is the reality of being a saint, that GOD does HIS MIRACLES through them.

[count-your-change]

Do you understrand that account in Luke 9:29-31? If so then can you answer a few questions abut it? Such as...

Where did Moses and Elijah come from seeing tha they both had died? And where did they go after this meeting?

Why these two in particular?

I’d be greatly interested in your answers since this is offered in support of the idea one can pray to dead saints?

[piusv]

I’m not missing your personal walk with Jesus. You’ll also notice that I have yet to “lol” at your beliefs or call them “ridiculous”.

[Elsie]

...but then, you didn’t write the text so you are free to interpret however you fancy.

HMMmmm...

[presently no screen name]

“He is not a God of the living, but of the dead.

That's the catholic god, their father the devil, who they serve by man made teachings.

"He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive." Luke 20;38

Born again Christians are alive 'in HIM' that's why GOD is their FATHER and their beliefs rest SOLELY on His Word.

[Elsie]

“Upon this rock I will build my church - talking to St. Peter, himself.”

ABOUT the revelation that Peter was given!

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 16.  Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."
 17.  Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
 18.  And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.

[Elsie]

...the living God which is the pillar....