Posted on 03/30/2013 2:42:00 PM PDT by NYer
· After his election, he came down from platform to greet the cardinal electors, rather than have them come up to his level to offer obedience.
· He appeared on the loggia without the red cape. (The BBC report, unconfirmed, is that he said to his aide, “No thank you, Monsignore. You put it on instead. Carnival time is over.”)
· In his greeting he referred to himself only as “bishop,” not as "pope."
· He referred to Benedict as “bishop emeritus,” not “pope emeritus.”
· He appeared without the stole, only putting it on to give the blessing. He then took it off in public (!), as if he couldn’t wait to get it off.
· He asked for the people’s blessing before he blessed them.
· He doesn’t wear red shoes.
· Or white stockings.
· Or cuff links.
· He rode the bus back to the residence with the cardinals rather than take the papal limousine.
· When he went to Mary Major to pray, he declined the papal Mercedes and took a Volkswagen Passat.
· On his way back from Mary Major, he stopped at his pre-conclave hotel to get his luggage and pay his own bill.
· Though he has taken possession of the apostolic palace, he continued to receive guests at St. Martha’s House rather than the palace.
· He drank Argentinian tea in public when receiving the Argentinian president – protocol is that popes are seen publicly consuming no food or drink except the Eucharist.
· His first Mass with cardinals was celebrated facing the people. (Pope Benedict started this way, but then did a “reform of the reform” and celebrated at the old high altar in the Sistine Chapel facing away from the congregation. Apparently this has been reversed.)
· He doesn’t chant the prayers, he recites them – but this could be because of an impaired lung or his singing ability.
· The wall of candles between celebrant and congregation, another of Pope Benedict’s “reform of the reform,” was moved away with three candles on each side of the altar.
· At his inauguration Mass, photos show that the candles were originally set up across the front of the altar, but by Mass time they had been moved to the side.
· The crucifix on the altar was a small one at his first Mass.
· He wore his own simple miter from Argentina, not the papal miter.
· He preached from the ambo without miter – rather like a simple parish priest. (The concelebrating cardinals gradually realized what was going on and had to remove the miters they had started to put on after the Gospel reading.)
· He brushed aside the prepared Latin homily and preached in Italian without text.
· In general, less lace.
· His hands are folded during the liturgy, not the pious (some say prissy) way with palms together.
· He didn’t genuflect at the Supper Narrative of the Eucharistic Prayer – is this really because of bad knees?
· He asked the cardinals not to wear their red cardinals’ robes, but black.
· He stood on the floor of the Clementine Hall to greet the cardinals rather than sit on the throne on the platform.
· He called them “brother cardinals” rather than “Lord cardinals.”
· He bent to kiss the ring of a cardinal who kissed his ring.
· At his meeting with over 5,000 journalists, after Archbishop Celli introduced him, he got up to walk over to him (popes don’t do that) and thanked him.
· He didn’t bless the journalists like popes do, since not all of them are Catholic or believers. Instead he prayed for them in silence, then simply said “God bless you.”
· After the meeting with journalists, he waved away the papal limousine and walked to the Vatican residence.
· When he saw the papal apartments he said, “There’s room for 300 people here. I don’t need all this space.” He has yet to move into the apartments, and some wonder whether he will.
· At Mass Sunday at the Vatican parish Sunday morning, he gave the Kiss of Peace to the deacons and Master of Ceremonies, not just the concelebrants. This is breaking the rules – but perhaps also a nice show of support for MC Marini, who must be reeling from all the sudden changes.
· The deacon didn’t kneel before Pope Francis for the blessing before the gospel (as they did for John Paul II and Benedict XVI).
· He doesn’t wear the dalmatic. Pope Benedict revived the practice, not foreseen in the reformed liturgical books, of wearing this deacon’s vestment under his papal vestments.
· He doesn’t distribute Communion as the missal foresees of the celebrant, but is seated while others do so.
· He listened to the words of the Patriarch of Constantinople seated on an armchair rather than the throne that is customarily used in the Clementine Hall. When he thanked Bartholomew I, he called him “my brother Andrew.”
· He has simplified his coat of arms, keeping the miter rather than tiara (as Benedict also did) but removing the pallium from it.
· He is wearing a second-hand pallium.
· He has chosen a simple ring, re-using a ring once made for Paul VI’s secretary.
· Pope Benedict recently began wearing a fanon under the pallium for big feasts, but Francis did not wear it as the inauguration Mass.
· He undid Pope Benedict’s decision that all the cardinals would come up to pay obedience to the Pope at his inauguration, and decided that six representatives would be enough.
· Rather than being seated while they came up to pay him obedience, he stood and greeted them informally.
· Contrary to protocol, he has given a phone call to the Jesuit superior general, the people holding a prayer vigil outside the Buenos Aires cathedral, and the guy in Argentina who sold him his daily paper (to cancel his delivery).
· When he met the Jesuit general, he apologized for not keeping protocol and insisted on being treated like any other Jesuit with the “tu” informal address, rather than “Your Holiness” or “Holy Father.”
· He is not celebrating Holy Thursday Mass of the Lord’s Supper in St. Peter’s Basilica (he hasn’t yet taken possession of his cathedral, John Lateran), but in a juvenile prison.
· He celebrated an unannounced Mass at St. Martha’s with hotel workers, Vatican gardeners, and people who clean St. Peter’s square. He showed up before Mass and sat in the back row to pray a bit.
· In his official photograph, he signs his name simply “Franciscus” without “PP” (“pontifex pontificum”) used by previous popes.
Okay, we’ll put away the rack for NOW! Enjoy your Easter with your family. He is risen!
The Lord Is Risen Indeed.
Personally, I think the TLM folks have lost a lot of friends with this, and I even noticed a couple of comments on Fr. Z’s blog from people who said they had been sort of interested in the TLM but after the display of hatred against Pope Francis ... Forget it, they were going back to the Novus Ordo and just trying to improve it.
I have read these kinds of reports (I was going to be a traditionalist, but now I'm not!, etc, etc.) on various sites for weeks now, and I can tell you I just don't buy a word of it. It sounds like those people who love to say "I was going to be a conservative, but then I heard Rush Limbaugh and the NRA and now I am going to be a raging liberal Democrat . . ." As Keanu would wisely say, "Bogus!" This is just a typical comment people make when they want to add force to their criticism of somebody personally or something they said. It is the kind of tactic people like Bill Maher love to revel in.
Being a conservative of any kind, and this includes traditionalism, is about holding a particular value system. You adopt such views over time by learning something, and after you find the truth in such a system you don't just abandon it because you were offended by somebody who is also associated with those values. And, in addition to this, traditional Catholicism is about religious conviction and belief. You don't just decide to believe something, and then decide not to because that guy over there said something ridiculous. If that were true then the TLM crowd would be giant right now because all these people would have abandoned their commitment to the modern Mass since there are thousands and thousands of ignorant people who support that Mass on TV and online everyday saying outrageously stupid things, often about the pope! But, strangely, they don't abandon what they believe because of them. Imagine that.
People who say they were going to believe something to be true, and then just decided not to now, are only saying this because they think it makes their argument against the people they are trying to blame seem stronger.
I've never been impressed by the "more Catholic than the Pope" crowd, and some of their comments about Pope Francis have been more ridiculous than usual.
There is no Catholic doctrine or dogma about which shoes the Pope should wear, or which vestments, at what time. This is all such superfluous nonsense about which to get one's knickers in a twist.
The guys in the Michelangelo designed uniforms are there for show. It's the guys in the suits with the coiling earpieces about whom bad guys need to be worried. They are the Pope's Secret Service, and they are around him constantly.
Cyril and Methodius were part of a united Church so when they came, they were not converting from the bishop of Salzburg as both the Bish of Salzburg and Cyril and Methodius were of the same Church
The Moravians then were brought into the German Holy Roman Empire -- in reality the Western half voluntarily joined the HRE while the eastern (Slovakia) was under the initially pagan Magyar
So, in short your Moravian ancestors were originally pagan, then converted by the joint Church (pre-Schism) and then were in the Catholic Przymyslid or Germanic realms or under the Magyar. The "Moravian Church" was mostly formed from the western moravians (i.e. under the Germans) from whence some of your ancestors come
They were initially Catholic in that sense, never Eastern Orthodox.
1. it says what were the practices in these territories when it had been Eastern Orthodox: liturgy in the language of the people (i.e. Czech) -- the liturgy of the Orthodox among the Slavs was Church Slavonic, not Czech. Czech is a Western Slavic language, while Church Slavonic, having originated from the missionary teachings of Saints C&M in Bułgaria was/is a South Slavic language - and, as a person who is learning a West Slavic language, let me tell you that there is a substantial difference between West and South Slavic languages, they are not easily comprehensible -- more like if an English person tried to speak Dutch or Flemish
married priests, -- ok, this is hilarious. There was nothing about married priests in Jan Hus' revolt. He was unmarried btw. The article ismixing up the actions of the re-created Hussite Church, re-created centuries later.
indulgences -- the person who wrote this doesn't realise that the Orthodox had a practice of absolution certificates (συγχωροχάρτια – synchorochartia). Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem Dositheos Notaras (1641–1707) wrote: "It is an established custom and ancient tradition, known to all, that the Most Holy Patriarchs give the absolution certificate (συγχωροχάρτιον – synchorochartion) to the faithful people … they have granted them from the beginning and still do."
purgatory -- again another example that the link you provided has people who have no idea what they are talking about -- the Orthodox hold that Prayer for the dead is necessary.The Eastern Orthodox Church holds that it is necessary to believe in an intermediate after-death state in which believers are perfected and brought to full divinization, a process of growth rather than of punishment, which some Orthodox have called purgatory
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