Do we love those inclined to homosexuality enough to stop same-sex ‘marriage’?

Life Site News ^ | 3-26-13 | John-Henry Westen

[ReformationFan]

Let’s get one thing straight.

In this battle over same-sex ‘marriage’ it often sounds like those pushing the dismantling of traditional marriage have the upper hand in terms of love. ‘You are opposed to love!’; ‘How does the love between me and my partner affect you in your marriage?’; ‘Why can’t I be allowed to love whomever I choose?’

These are the tough arguments from ‘love’ facing those who are fighting to protect marriage from radical redefinition.

In truth, however, love is the principle reason to fight same-sex ‘marriage.’

You see, law is a teacher and enshrining same-sex ‘marriage’ in law would lead many people to believe that homosexual sexual relations are equal to those of heterosexual married couples. The difficulty, of course, is that while sexual acts between heterosexual married couples can be totally healthy and positive, the same can never be said of sexual acts between persons of the same sex, whether they happen within a relationship given the name “marriage” or not.

Our bodies were not designed for that behavior, and our anatomy itself gives that testimony. The negative mental and physical health consequences that flow from homosexual sex are many and the medical evidence pointing to them is readily available on LifeSiteNews.

[CottShop]

[[The gays have done nothing to stop me from having a traditional family.]]

Have you seen the reports of the ‘sex education’ coming out of places liek California? Mass, Rhode Island etc? They are absolutely disgusting and they ARe shaping kids minds at younger and younger ages- and this is just the beginning- the gay population is desperately tryign to force God out of htis coutnry, and force their lifestyle INTO our lives without our consent

[[The gays have not affected my family one iota.]]

I’m not sure where youl ive, but it’s evidenctly i na still predominantly moral area- The same can not be said for a great many families whos kids are affected by force via the public school system and learnign curriculum

[[It is best ignored.]]

I wholeheartedly dissagree- To me that is akin to hte ggermans saying ‘it’s best we just ignore what hitler is doing because we don’t want ot bring his actions into public more-

[[A fight becomes interesting to MSM only when there two sides fighting each other.]]

A fight only becoems interestign to them when they see weakness o nthe right’s side, and perceive the left as winning their immoral fight- that is why our dear leader has been abvle to get away with all manner of unconstitutional rules because the right did NOT fight the left and simply let them get away with it- and just like is happenign in NY where Bllombergh has declared that ‘governemnt has the right to violate our rights’ Why isn’t the media hammerign him for such a dictatorial stand? opposition to abortion rights has slowly but surely won through the years by strongly fighting with ND signign into law the ‘heartbeat law’ and other states with rules overriding the supreme court’s decision- I just don’t agree that the best offense is no offense at all

[Gene Eric]

>> It is best ignored.

It is best confronted.

[Essie]

I agree that it is best confronted. But what really bothers me is the homosexual network. Whenever I see article that does not slobber about gay rights, the first post is almost always by a gay supporter. Even in very conservative sites, the gay mafia comes out in force and often prevents any meaningful discussion. They are rude, crude, and overbearing. The damage they are doing cannot be calculated, and they scare me.

[entropy12]

We live near Seattle, arguably one of the most liberal areas.
My kids can not get over how liberal the professors are at Univ of Washington in Seattle.

The best thing I and my wife did was to do our job as parents and teach kids right from wrong.

[entropy12]

If you are comparing Nazi Germany’s gas chambers to the gay rights movement, it is apples and oranges. No one has died from the gay movement. Taking them to court in SCOTUS is giving them publicity they could never afford to muster.

Have’nt we learned anything from Akin & Mourdock?

[entropy12]

You mean like Akin & Mourdock confronted the reporters?
I guess some people never learn.

[daniel1212]

There is not one mention of marriage in the US constitution.

This is true but irrelevant as it establishes principles which the legality of homosexual marriage is determined.Interpreting the Constitution requires understanding the moral framework of its writers. And which reflects a basic Christian moral ideology, which, along with every known religion then, defines marriage as btwn opposite genders, and does not confuse civil rights with grossly immoral actions.

This ideology easily gives support for abolition, (1Cor. 7:21; Philemon) but not moral abomination.

Some argue that since the Constitution does not forbid gay marriage, or restricts it to straights, then it is unconstitution to outlaw it, but which rational would also sanctiom marriage btwn man and beast, or trees, etc.,and supposes the Founders subscribed to a modern immoral ideology, contrary to the evidence.

George Washington's response to a man who had convicted for attempting to commit sodomy was not to advise him to marry, or even to institute DOMA, butr to drum him out.

Now of course, even Googling "George Washington's response homosexual relations military" (w/out quotes) results in almost half the results alleging he was gay friendly.

[daniel1212]

The gays have not affected my family one iota.

That is impossible. Perhaps not as regards moral compromise, as far as you can tell, but we are all affected by others actions or inactions to some degree, directly or indirectly, and ways the gays have or will affect you family include, 12 ways homosexual marriage and its foundational ideology destroys a nation.

1. increased dilution of moral standards, from revisionist, perverse interpretations of the Bible, to the Constitution, etc. while promoting immorality thus this lowering the standard of morality in general.

2. increasing defilement of conscience, selfishness, moral insensibility, hardening of heart and hindering conversions to Christ, and dishonoring the God who made us.

3. perverting the nature and viability of the family (attacking monogamy, etc.)

4. increased risk of indoctrination of descendants, or removal from the care of conservatives

5. increased risk of sexualization of offspring in education

6. increased risk of sexual assault

7. increasing restricted employment opportunities (conservative college in resume, etc.).

8. fostering a society in which hinders expression of free speech and capitalism by penalizing dissent on homosexuality (lose your job. etc.).

9. reduced viability of political candidates and the Republican party, and the future of America

10. nuking America as the supreme moral standard and reducing the viability of the military

11 . increased insurance costs and or taxes due to greatly increased incidence of infectious diseases and premature death

12. increasingly moving the country toward judgment, as the nation which promotes abomination is under condemnation and is headed for damnation.

That said, let us consider that whatever we do or fail to do affects others for good or for evil, thus may all walk in surrender the Lored Jesus, trusting Him to save us on His blood-expense and righteousness, and to Him be the glory.

[Elsie]

Do we love those inclined to homosexuality enough to stop same-sex ‘marriage’?

LOT chose the well watered plain.

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Just like significant portion of women voters are against anti-abortion agenda.

HUH?

The flip side is equally true:

Just like significant portion of women voters are against the ABORTION agenda.

[mitch5501]

Thanks for the ping daniel.

"That said, let us consider that whatever we do or fail to do affects others for good or for evil, thus may all walk in surrender the Lored Jesus, trusting Him to save us on His blood-expense and righteousness, and to Him be the glory"

Wise words.No doubt the lack of these things has given evil an easier ride than it may have otherwise had.Still,He is able.

[Springfield Reformer]

The gays have not affected my family one iota.

Well, if that's true (and I doubt it), you've been extremely lucky, or else maybe you live on an isolated desert island somewhere.

Because I have not been so lucky. Approached multiple times, and we're not talking about the "cool" gays of the propaganda. More like Edgar Allen Poe. Not kidding. My children also. In one case a technical assault, though it was resolved without legal action.

Then there's the Fortune 500 syndrome. These guys think they need to grovel under the latest fashions in human misconduct, because it will keep the corporation rich with friends in high places, which is important to corporate survival. As a result, I've been to the sensitivity training, and I've been rebuked by top corporate leadership for having the audacity to believe that sex was still a moral question. Believe me, when something like that happens to you, and you see your financial doom lurking just around the corner if you don't suck up to the right people, well, you just haven't lived. :)

To say nothing of the marriage pool. You want to look into your future a bit? Try looking at the Netherlands. Gay marriage since about 2000, and it is wiping out the institution. No one needs to get married, hetero, homo, or otherwise. Sexual nirvana. All the fun you want, and the STATE will take care if any children are involved. Which of course the Marxists love, because that. is. their. goal.

Anyway, got to go to work now. I wish what you said was true. I truly do. I think you need to question what it means to be "affected." Broaden that definition a bit, and you'll see why people like me and Daniel find it impossible to ignore the impacts to our families that stem from the normalization of evil.

And if we belong to God, how can we remain silent, especially as a mere political expediency? Then we would not only be affected ourselves, we coldly and passively stand by and watch as souls are destroyed, thus becoming participants with the sin itself, collaborators in evil, and that is too high a price to pay for anything, least of all some imagined electoral advantage.

Peace,

SR

[dartuser]

Great post ...

Maranatha ...

[wmfights]

E12: The gays have not affected my family one iota.

As people who believe Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior lets look at this a little differently.

Why should children be discriminated against? The statistical evidence is overwhelming that children raised in a home with a Mother and Father have much better outcomes than those raised by homosexuals. If we truly want to protect the most innocent we have to say no to homosexual marriage.

Also, as Christians we need to recognize that homosexual mormalization is just a tactic in the greater war being waged on religion by those that think they are their own gods. Once the courts demand homosexual marriage be recognized it won't be long before the tax exemption will be eliminated for all churches that refuse to perform homosexual marriages. After this it won't be long before all religious institutions will be required to hire homosexuals and give all the benefits to their married partner that they give to heterosexuals. We see some of this already going on with obamacare and the requirement that abortion be provided for in the insurance. The end result is the destruction of churches as a moral lighthouse with absolute rules.

IOW, the acceptance of homosexual marriage is not an equality issue but rather a statement that we are not a religious people who believe God is sovereign.

[SoConPubbie]

No one has died from the gay movement.

One word, AIDS.

I dare say that millions have died from the gay movement.

[rollo tomasi]

"If you are comparing Nazi Germany’s gas chambers to the gay rights movement, it is apples and oranges."

Did not read anything about gas chambers but understood what the poster probably meant.

Hitler was not all about JUST gas chambers. The 20th Century totalitarians (Understand what that encompasses please) societies that arose, be it from the Bolsheviks and Marxism or National Socialist and Ayran master-hood, had one thing in common just like the homosexual community has, silence dissent and conquer traditional institutions/beliefs. Wake up, the US is becoming more totalitarian everyday; try saying something "anti"-PC and see how far you last.

Cultural Marxism is ruling the roost and ushering in "total control" of public thought whether you believe it or not. A brilliant strategy IMOHP because it combines the libertarian and the hardcore statist into one big convoluted circle jerk which they all enjoy together.

[Wurlitzer]

“How does the love between me and my partner affect you in your marriage?’”

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It demeans the term of Marriage.

If we allowed people with an IQ of 50 to be called “Brilliant” then that term means very little.

If getting your GED were to entitle you to put Dr. in front of your name the term Doctor is rendered meaningless.

Marriage has been, for all recorded history been between a man and a women up until the cancer of the SSAD community, (Same Sex Attraction Disorder), started this equality in the face of depravity crap around the year 2000.

We unfortunately allowed the lying leftist wordsmiths to corrupt the word “Gay” and now it is meaningless. The reality is they are SSAD.

The unassailable facts are, we all have wants and desires that, if left unchecked, would be a detriment to society. Most of us push those wants and desires to the back of our minds while the SSAD community wants to flaunt their perversion and even force us to accept it and lower the moral bar on the term of Marriage.

At least the USSC has no power to make me accept this perversion and to stop the knot in my stomach when I see two deviants kissing. Well at least for now they are not into thought crimes.

[svcw]

The gays have not affected my family one iota.

Really, are your children in school? Do they watch TV?

The homosexual agenda even though they are only 2.5% of the population permeates everything, with their immorality.

Look at countries that have legalized homosexual "marriage", pastors are arrested and harassed for quoting the Bible. Teachers are forced to teach normalized homosexual with heterosexual.

Homosexual is like a fungus, it spreads if is not exposed or confronted.

[svcw]

Nicely stated.

[rollo tomasi]

"Taking them to court in SCOTUS is giving them publicity they could never afford to muster."

Prop 8 passed and those who lost appealed. Who took who to court again? Are you saying Prop 8 supporters should of just quit after passage/acceptance by the Cal. Supreme Court (The second time) when opponents took the Federal route and "won" before the perverted 9th?