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1 posted on 03/16/2013 4:25:22 PM PDT by FoxPro
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IIRC, many orders have never “had” a pope. May just mean that no Jesuits were in that league before.


2 posted on 03/16/2013 4:27:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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It’s an interesting question. First, maybe find out what % of Cardinals belong to a particular order, Dominican, Jesuit and so on. Then see where those Cardinals are from, especially looking at Italy if you go back farther than the last few Popes. Then you would have to look at the ages of the Cardinals (can’t be too young or too old) and if they coincided in a suitable way with conclaves. Maybe it’s just something like black left handed knuckleball pitchers, a minority of a minority of a minority.

Maybe the order of Albino Asassin Monks wouldn’t take orders from a Jesuit until recently.

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6 posted on 03/16/2013 4:47:38 PM PDT by Ransomed
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Jesuits historically have avoided elevated office. It is rare to even see one as a Cardinal. They are content to mold young minds and eschew direct involvement in worldly matters...as a rule.
7 posted on 03/16/2013 4:47:44 PM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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I have been thinking that Pope Francis had a connection to St Francis of Xavier because of both being of the Jesuit order and similar church histories and both from the Southern Hemisphere. I’ll have to change my thinking even though I still wonder why there is no mention of Francis Xavier in Pope Francis’s life..


8 posted on 03/16/2013 4:49:48 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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Historically, the Jesuits were the “zealots”... indeed for centuries the Jesuits were the “enforcement” order, established to make certain the Pope’s orders were followed.

When a priest “stepped out of line”, it was the Jesuits that often would “come knocking”.


9 posted on 03/16/2013 4:51:40 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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I believe part of the answer is that the Jesuits don’t usually “seek” higher office. I think I have only seen one Jesuit bishop, a monsignor, and the rest were priests. it’s unusual for a Jesuit to be in an office high enough for consideration. This is not the only reason, obviously. And I am only speaking from my own experience. Numbers could be different worldwide.


10 posted on 03/16/2013 4:54:20 PM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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Their Order didn’t allow them to take higher offices outside the Order. It’s part of the promises they make when they join the Order. “ Jesuit priests at the time of their solemn and final profession in the Society of Jesus promise: I will never strive or ambition, not even indirectly, to be chosen or promoted to any prelacy or dignity in or outside the Society; and I will do my best never to consent to my election unless I am forced to do so by obedience to him who can order me under penalty of sin (Constitutions S.J., Part X, N°6 [817]).”

If they do serve outside the Order they lose their voice within the Order and are no longer under obedience to the Superior General.


11 posted on 03/16/2013 5:01:21 PM PDT by airedale
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A very interesting question and a very informative, educational thread. Thanks to all posters.


12 posted on 03/16/2013 5:06:03 PM PDT by PGalt
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Why has a Jesuit never been elected Pope, until now?

What an interesting Inquisition!

13 posted on 03/16/2013 5:06:34 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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Why the first Jesuit pope is a big deal

By Caleb Bell, Religion News Service, The Washington Post, March 14, 2013

Jesuits are bound by oath not to seek higher office in the Roman Catholic Church, and now one of them has been elected to its highest office: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Pontifex Maximus.

Pope Francis, the first Jesuit to become pope, not only represents a paradox for the papacy, but also the larger history of the Society of Jesus, as the Jesuits are formally known.

Complete article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/why-the-first-jesuit-pope-is-a-big-deal/2013/03/14/16f701c4-8ced-11e2-adca-74ab31da3399_story.html


14 posted on 03/16/2013 5:08:05 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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Most Cardinals are chosen from the diocesan ranks. “Diocesan” means one is not a member of a religious order like the Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, and so on.


16 posted on 03/16/2013 5:08:40 PM PDT by RPTMS
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Basically for the same reason we have never had a US Marine as President.
But things can change.


18 posted on 03/16/2013 5:11:19 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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If you want some real hard core knowledge of the Jesuits, here is a long read but fascinating. I don’t know how much is true but where there is smoke there is fire. FYI
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm


25 posted on 03/16/2013 5:42:30 PM PDT by ladyL
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Read: "The Jesuits"
"The Society of Jesus and the
Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church"

by Malachi Martin

Very informative. And it isn't just book that bashes the Jesuits but it is quite critical of them. Particularly how socialist/Marxist they have become. It also delves into their history. Written by former Jesuit Malachi Martin.
26 posted on 03/16/2013 5:45:03 PM PDT by StormEye
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It is my understanding that there haven’t been many Jesuits who have been made Cardinals, so they just weren’t ‘in the running’.


29 posted on 03/16/2013 6:12:49 PM PDT by SuziQ
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I may be completely off-base here, but I would presume that it’s not typical for a priest from an order like the Jesuits to get appointed to a position like a bishop of a major diocese. I thought bishops usually came from the ranks of diocesan priests, not from an order of priests like the Franciscans, Jesuits, etc.


30 posted on 03/16/2013 6:35:26 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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Timing is everything


34 posted on 03/16/2013 7:07:13 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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because Jesuits have traditionally been left wing progressives that didn’t believe in God?


35 posted on 03/16/2013 7:21:03 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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The answer is simple, the Jesuits were brought to order to quash the rebellious daughters who thought the church needed reforming.

check the cemetery, oh sorry, I mean seminary rosters, they have infiltrated every religious sect of religion, even Islam.

Think not they come to change from without, NO, true destruction comes from within. Know Thy Word and Thy Word will set one free to be at peace as it all unfolds.

38 posted on 03/16/2013 8:07:30 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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Why the first Jesuit pope is a big deal

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/why-the-first-jesuit-pope-is-a-big-deal/2013/03/14/16f701c4-8ced-11e2-adca-74ab31da3399_story.html

“Jesuits are bound by oath not to seek higher office in the Roman Catholic Church, and now one of them has been elected to its highest office: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Pontifex Maximus”


40 posted on 03/16/2013 9:00:13 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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