Posted on 02/13/2013 4:44:23 AM PST by spirited irish
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
“But the Mormon threads are part of the Religion forum. If you cant call out a false doctrine there, where CAN you do it?”
They don’t believe it is false doctrine. Their religion, like yours, requires some leaps of faith. Not sure what your religion is, but the entire Evangelical movement is based on the leap of faith that God wrote the Bible through intervention with humans and the Bible, written in different times by different human beings in its multiple translations over time, which passages were chosen by a counsel of humans at Nicea under the Pope and the Roman Empirer Constantine amond thousands of scriptures that were not chosen to be a part of the Bible, and were designed by God to be taken literally as put on paper in the King James version. The entire Evangelical movement requires the faith that God himself pulled all those puppet strings and completely takes out the human element. I don’t know much about Mormon theology, but I assume it also requires such leaps of faith. Just because you or I say it is false doctrine isn’t going to win any arguments, discussions, or debates.
A GOD, you say???
16, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 714, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 1520, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 2125, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 2627, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 2839, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 4047, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 4850, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 5157, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 5866, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto themYe shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depthsthen shall it be written in the Lambs gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
24This is aeternal livesto bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
I read the whole article and it was not a "Mormon bashing thread" at all. Just happens that a belief system that far preceded Joseph Smith, paganism, was plagiarized by J.S. as almost all of his ideas were, whether word for word from the K.J.V. with King James era language and all or from earlier and non Christian thinkers.
I've come to believe that Smith never entertained an original thought and simply picked from this and that, anything that tickled his fancy at the moment and did it ever tickle his "fancy" when he thought to take whatever opposite sex, young or old, married to another or not, for his very own. Even that wasn't original, as every old horn dog in history has wanted to do the same. Sadaam Hussein's son comes to mind as a fairly recent example. Money and power allows that sort of thing to happen but as Husseian's son and J.S. both found out, decadence comes with a price tag.
LOOK!!!Over THERE!!!
Or...
"Waste your time trying to defend a vague accusation."
The HELL it doesn't!
Christians are COMMANDED to point out, rebuke, expose and root out false teachings.
Hasn't the Iron Maiden & the Rack taught you ANYTHING?
No, no more than liberals’ claims of morality being relative.
Truth is truth. And false religions are just that.
Shouldnt people be steered away from false religions, if possible?
Spirited: You’ve gone to the heart of the matter. As there really is life after death of the body, then what we believe about eternity is of utmost importance.
As Mormonism has been shown to have no answer to the origin of life, it follows that it cannot account for the existence of its’ man-god. So at its most fundamental level, Mormonism is a lie. And as with all nature systems down through history, it’s through the dumb-lips of this non-existing man-god (invented idol)that the Mormon hierarchy speaks, commanding believers to submit to an onerous system of pseudo-morality and good works in hope of achieving godhood upon death of their bodies.
Mormonism cannot account for either life or soul/spirit, so it logically follows that it really cannot account for its’ promise of godhood after death. Therefore we ought to earnestly expose this false religion and steer souls away from it.
No.
It's like same sex 'marriage'.
That animal does NOT exist and will NEVER exist; no matter HOW many times it is repeated.
That’s all fine. But it still has to be okay to point out false doctrine in the Religion forum.
Gonna have to ask for references for that one.
LOL
Bump for later intrigue
I forgot to ping you to #37
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jonestown, 1978
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JESUS: No...
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JESUS: Nope.
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
Mormons are not generally characterized as promoters of socialism.
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Unless you know about the Mormon system of “united order”
That book you speak of is subject to editing and updating at any given time at the discretion of the current "prophet".
Likewise, Liberals think THEY are right; but we do NOT let that fact slow us down in pointing out their idiotic schemes.
Just because you or I say it is false doctrine isnt going to win any arguments, discussions, or debates.
You are ABSOLUTELY right!
And that is WHY we actually show the differences between what MORMONism teaches and what the BIBLE teaches.
Then most folks will have data upon which to form an opinion as the validity of one or the other.
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