Posted on 12/06/2012 3:46:27 AM PST by yinandyang
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because: Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
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You may want to consider that Jesus was a Rabbi for the House of Hillel. That would be a student of a Jewish Rabbi.
It is very difficult to understand Jesus, in fact, if you don’t hear him from a Jewish backdrop.
Jesus is supported for us by Moses, in Leviticus.
Jesus is a Jew. Mary and Joesph are Jews. The Disciples were Jewish. Paul is the only Gentile. Christianity is a belief in the Jewish Messiah.
I think your statement just lacks understanding.
From the day of that declaration the period of time ended when Jesus came into Jerusalem riding on a colt. He was "cut-off" (executed)in the midst of the week (Wednesday) was in the grave 3 days (remember Jonah) and after His resurrection was denied by the Jews. Now most importantly the city was destroyed! The prophet Daniel said it would happen AFTER the Messiah was cut-off!!! Hello - THE CITY WAS DESTROYED IN 70AD!!!
Interesting concept, but I'm unaware of which tenet of Judaism requires rejection of the Jewish Messiah? Is it not logical that the Messiah would add to Judaism, similarly to Abraham, Moses, and the prophets?
If I were a Jew, I would be more concerned with what appears to be popular atheists-heathens who also loudly proclaim their Jewish identity. Certainly as a Christian, I am more concerned with the same types who identify "Christian", than I am with quirky sects of Christianity.
Paul wasn't a gentile.
Including Jesus Himself, apparently.
Very sloppy posting on my part, my apologies. Paul was converted to talk to the Gentiles. Paul was the only Apostle to the Gentiles.
(Also, I should have written that Joesph and Mary (were) Jews).
I understand this:
Christians murdered countless Jews since the inception of Christianity. Thankfully that seems to have for the most part abated. The Moslems are now the standardbearers for that task.
While I am happy that Christians no longer persecute Jews, I wish your reasonings about the shared common ancestories had been the beliefs of Christian history.
To now tell a Jew that he does not understand any of this topic is your opinion but it is not mine.
As you probably know, some folks think Paul was not technically "a Jew" because he was not from the tribe of Judah (he was a Hebrew from the tribe of Benjamin and studied under Gamaliel).
Paul was a Pharisee, extremely well educated and well-versed in the Old Testament (if you read his letters, you will know).
He preached to the Gentiles, but he certainly wasn't one himself.
Well, the history is there, if you are a Jew then you know about the House of Hilel, no doubt. You may choose to ignore the history, I guess.
I am a Jew as well, so you telling me that I don’t understand this topic, is your opinion and not mine.
I am referring to your statement that a Jew could not have ties to Christianity.
Perhaps a Hisadic Jew does not have any ties to Christianity. (For example) But I was trying to show you that a blanket statement about all Jews, is just not correct. I was hoping you might learn something.
In Jewish tradition, Jewish ancestry is traced to the Biblical patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the second millennium BCE.
You might want to be more clear about your terms. Are you a Hisadic Jew? (for example)
As far as Christians murdering and persecuting Jews... um, yeah, history is full of people murder and persecuting each other. Let’s remember that Jews have murdered Christians, in fact, the Jews were the ones who incited the Romans to kill Jesus,himself.
People, without the understanding of God, do all sorts of horrible things to each other. And thus, we all need God, to show us how to live together in peace.
I did talk to a professor I had, and of course the first thing he said was 'I'm not a rabbi'. The concept of Messianic Judaism just seems to make sense to me. This professor said, 'We have a word for those people - Christians.'
I later talked to an actual rabbi who confirmed my professor's claim. So I'm still searching. I grew up mainly in the Presbyterian church. Sorry if this post kinda rambled.
I am glad to correct that because it is important! I agree with you. Esp now, with the current events and the whole, Conversion on the road to Damascus, story.
That is good stuff and timely!
The story of adoption and Jewish adoption laws is a fascinating topic, in and of itself, right?
Who has the right to claim they are a Jew, and a Son of God, or a Son of David. (And does it really matter to our salvation?)Can we hold on to religious traditions, familial traditions and still hear God? Do we follow the laws of Moses, or the assume we are not under the law- as some read in new Testament?
Who does God love and favor?
Big things to think about. :)
Yes. Thank you. I correct that. I meant to say only Gentile Apostle.
bflr
well, many Jews did believe in Him -- they became the first Christians. And St. Thomas went to India to convert Jews there -- and they became the Marthomite Christians, whose descendants are still in Kerala
...How illuminating it is to here about these many different views relating to the Son of God...it is very much like children arguing with a parent about what is right and wrong
even though their perception of real is somewhat biased and juvenile...Jesus Christ is the Son of God , and faith is that which can be breached and slandered , but never broken by the acts of Mankind...you have been given the keys to immortality, however , many will refuse to unlock that which has been placed before them and will truly inherit a different fate which has also been foretold...perhaps its time for Mankind to once again bring forth past events and view them in a new spectrum of light , or will you dwell in darkness forever...
hmmm... why? Note that Christianity holds that God is One, Jesus being part of a Trinity. Of course, I agree that non-Christians would not be able to accept this, but I mean it's not impossible from a strictly logical point of view to be Jewish and accept a Triune God -- still monotheistic.
however, I repeat, it is your choice to believe what you wish -- God be with you.
? St. Paul was of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin.
You mean St. Luke I guess?
well, this is a fallout of the early reverse persecution (which was a drop in comparison yes) both in the 1st century in ISrael and then in the 6th century in Yemen -- drops in the ocean...
don't you mean Chasidic?
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