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Why Jews don't believe in Jesus
Aish ^ | Dec 6, 2012 | Rabbi Simmons

Posted on 12/06/2012 3:46:27 AM PST by yinandyang

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because: Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

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TOPICS: Judaism; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: jesus; jewishjesus; jewishmessiah; jews; jewsandjesus; judaism; messianicjews
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To: Truth2012

Peace be with you, too, and thanks again.


121 posted on 12/08/2012 9:54:03 AM PST by sakic
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To: jjotto
I do not seem to follow your line of reasoning.

Here is my line of reasoning John 19 is a very matter of fact reporting.

It states the the Roman soldiers were the instrument of prophesy.
First spelling out the events as they unfolded, then identifying the
prophesies fulfilled:

i.e. Not a bone was broken:
Thus suggesting that Yah'shua was
the lamb of G-d on Pesach.
See Ex 12:46; Num 9:12 & Ps 34:20

i.e. look upon him whom they pierced

NAsbU Zechariah 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on
the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication,
so that they will look on Me{YHvH ?} whom they have pierced; and they will
mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep
bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Paying particular attention to the pronouns in Zechariah 12:10.
Reviewing the use of pronouns suggest that Yah'shua
was/is in fact the Shechinah of HaShem (YHvH).
There are not THREE PERSONS but one(echad) YHvH

I pray this brings some clarity the subject.

The light of the world has entered the temple as HaShem's Shechinah.

baruch HaShem !

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

122 posted on 12/08/2012 10:19:39 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Truth2012
This is a helpful site to understand Martin Luther's views about the Jewish people vs. the Jewish religion:

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=luther+and+jews

In it the author states:

    Luther was not technically an anti-Semite. He had nothing against Jews as “Jews.” He had something against their religion because he believed it denied and blasphemed Christ. In other words, his position against them was theological, not biological. As proof, Luther had no objections to integrating converted Jews into Christian society- a true anti-Semite on the other hand, simply hates Jews for being Jews.

    Rather than being motivated by biological factors, Luther’s criticisms were motivated by theological concerns. Luther directed intensely abusive language against Anabaptists, lawyers, the papacy, and the Jews. Luther felt these groups were united in the conviction that men were ultimately made right before God by the law. Anabaptism held a moralistic view of the gospel with an emphasis on the heavy burden of righteousness placed upon men in order to be accepted before God. Lawyers made their living by imposing the law. The papacy was viewed as the antichrist, which promoted a false religion with a false view of salvation through obedience to the law. The Jews had a religion based upon works righteousness. When Luther attacked these groups, he felt he was attacking the devil- the underlying spirit of works righteousness.

    In the last years of Luther’s life, he came to believe all the popular slanderous myths about the Jews- and I think this may have been the result of the reports of proselytizing he was receiving, as well as his frustration in converting any of them, combined with cultural prejudice that is inherent in sinful humanity. By any means possible, he wanted works righteousness groups removed for the sake of the gospel. When Luther picked an enemy, no amount of rhetoric would stop him from making his case.

    Here though we can fault Luther theologically. He violated his own principle of the Theology of the cross. The Theology of the cross places the Christian as the enemy of society- the gospel is trampled and scorned by the world and by those in power. In its weakness and foolishness though, the Theology of the cross knows the gospel is actually strength. The Theology of the cross expects a life of suffering. It expects to be attacked and assailed. It expects these things because this is what happened to Christ. Using force to drive away one’s enemies in the name of the gospel is the work of a theology of glory. It is using power and might instead of using weakness and suffering.

The important thing to remember, though, is that:

    Generally speaking, we Reformed disagree with Luther on particular things, but still find him to be a man of great abilities, and appreciate his stand against the Roman Catholic Church- so you won’t find many detailed discussions delving into his flaws and sins. We know he was a sinner. We know he had glaring faults. But we also know sola scriptura and sola fide are not true or false depending on how evil or perfect Luther was. They are true because God has spoken in His Word.

123 posted on 12/08/2012 4:40:10 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

How about a helpful site that actually quotes Luther’s words:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

...First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom...

...Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies...

...we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God’s wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated...


124 posted on 12/08/2012 4:56:04 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Thank you for that site. It had a very good introduction that I think should be displayed:

    At the beginning of his career, Luther was apparently sympathetic to Jewish resistance to the Catholic Church. He wrote, early in his career:

    The Jews are blood-relations of our Lord; if it were proper to boast of flesh and blood, the Jews belong more to Christ than we. I beg, therefore, my dear Papist, if you become tired of abusing me as a heretic, that you begin to revile me as a Jew.

    But Luther expected them to convert to his purified Christianity. When they did not, he turned violently against Jews.

    It is impossible for modern people to read the horrible passages below and not to think of the burning of synagogues in November 1938 on Kristallnacht. Nor would one wish to excuse Luther for this text.

    A number of points must, however, be made. The most important concerns the language used. Luther used violent and vulgar language throughout his career....We do not expect religious figures to use this sort of language in the modern world, but it was not uncommon in the early 16th century. Second, although Luther's comments seem to be proto-Nazi, they are better seen as part of tradition of Medieval Christian anti-Semitism. While there is little doubt that Christian anti-Semitism laid the social and cultural basis for modern anti-Semitism, modern anti-Semitism does differ in being based on pseudo-scientific notions of race. The Nazis imprisoned and killed Jews who had converted to Christianity: Luther would have welcomed them.

    None of this justifies what follows, but it may help to comprehend what is happening. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther's anti-Semitic writings.

Luther was not a perfect man - none of us are. He was not anti-Jew even with some of the shocking things he said. I think anyone who takes Luther's writings as a whole, will understand the context of his statements. The site I gave has a link to ALL of Martin Luther's writings if anyone is interested in reading them. And let me say again, nobody follows Martin Luther, the man, and we reject his sentiments that are anti-Semitic. It is Jesus Christ who is our savior and good shepherd, and HE is the head of the church. No fallible, sinful human can take his place.

125 posted on 12/08/2012 9:14:33 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: yinandyang
If you all knew the Gospel...the Gospel Jesus and his disciples preached and taught for 3 1/2 years, you would not be having any of this conversation. Very little of it is Biblical. What was the Gospel Jesus preached? It certainly wasn't about his death, burial and resurrection. He sent his disciples out to preach the gospel. They didn't preach about his death, burial and resurrection. Galatians 3:8 says the gospel was preached to Abraham and this is then followed by Gen. 12:3. Church has NEVER preached the Gospel Jesus preached nor the one preached to Abraham. Talk about the great HOAX. But that's alright guys, we are saved by Faith...most every thing else the church teaches is so far off, well in fact it is a man made Roman religion.
126 posted on 12/08/2012 9:37:23 PM PST by ladyL
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To: Zionist Conspirator
All this is true so far as it goes, but the most basic thing is that the Jewish religion is the Torah, which is everlasting and is not a "preparation" for a greater revelation to come.

But good luck in getting any chrstians to actually even consider this.

You paint with too broad a brush - There are many Christians who are not so quick to discard the Torah... Myself included...

127 posted on 12/08/2012 11:45:51 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Cronos

Except the Trinity goes against the strict monotheism of Judaism, and it’s one of the reasons why Jews don’t accept Jesus.


128 posted on 04/18/2013 8:23:11 PM PDT by Righty-Oh
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To: Righty-Oh

I did say that for Christians there is 1 God, not 3, so it is monotheistic..


129 posted on 04/19/2013 1:17:19 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: yinandyang

The differences between Christianity and Judaism are much deeper than just accepting or rejecting Jesus. Christianity comes with a lot of religious baggage that Judaism won’t take, like the entirety of the NT, the Trinity, the Virgin Birth (they believe the Messiah will have a natural conception), original sin, hell, etc.


130 posted on 04/19/2013 11:25:59 AM PDT by Righty-Oh
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