Posted on 12/06/2012 3:46:27 AM PST by yinandyang
Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because: Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
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Peace be with you, too, and thanks again.
I do not seem to follow your line of reasoning.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachHere is my line of reasoning John 19 is a very matter of fact reporting.
It states the the Roman soldiers were the instrument of prophesy.
First spelling out the events as they unfolded, then identifying the
prophesies fulfilled:i.e. Not a bone was broken:
Thus suggesting that Yah'shua was
the lamb of G-d on Pesach.
See Ex 12:46; Num 9:12 & Ps 34:20i.e. look upon him whom they pierced
NAsbU Zechariah 12:10 "I will pour out on the house of David and onPaying particular attention to the pronouns in Zechariah 12:10.
the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication,
so that they will look on Me{YHvH ?} whom they have pierced; and they will
mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep
bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Reviewing the use of pronouns suggest that Yah'shua
was/is in fact the Shechinah of HaShem (YHvH).
There are not THREE PERSONS but one(echad) YHvHI pray this brings some clarity the subject.
The light of the world has entered the temple as HaShem's Shechinah.
baruch HaShem !
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=luther+and+jews
In it the author states:
Rather than being motivated by biological factors, Luthers criticisms were motivated by theological concerns. Luther directed intensely abusive language against Anabaptists, lawyers, the papacy, and the Jews. Luther felt these groups were united in the conviction that men were ultimately made right before God by the law. Anabaptism held a moralistic view of the gospel with an emphasis on the heavy burden of righteousness placed upon men in order to be accepted before God. Lawyers made their living by imposing the law. The papacy was viewed as the antichrist, which promoted a false religion with a false view of salvation through obedience to the law. The Jews had a religion based upon works righteousness. When Luther attacked these groups, he felt he was attacking the devil- the underlying spirit of works righteousness.
In the last years of Luthers life, he came to believe all the popular slanderous myths about the Jews- and I think this may have been the result of the reports of proselytizing he was receiving, as well as his frustration in converting any of them, combined with cultural prejudice that is inherent in sinful humanity. By any means possible, he wanted works righteousness groups removed for the sake of the gospel. When Luther picked an enemy, no amount of rhetoric would stop him from making his case.
Here though we can fault Luther theologically. He violated his own principle of the Theology of the cross. The Theology of the cross places the Christian as the enemy of society- the gospel is trampled and scorned by the world and by those in power. In its weakness and foolishness though, the Theology of the cross knows the gospel is actually strength. The Theology of the cross expects a life of suffering. It expects to be attacked and assailed. It expects these things because this is what happened to Christ. Using force to drive away ones enemies in the name of the gospel is the work of a theology of glory. It is using power and might instead of using weakness and suffering.
The important thing to remember, though, is that:
How about a helpful site that actually quotes Luther’s words:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
...First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom...
...Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies...
...we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God’s wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated...
The Jews are blood-relations of our Lord; if it were proper to boast of flesh and blood, the Jews belong more to Christ than we. I beg, therefore, my dear Papist, if you become tired of abusing me as a heretic, that you begin to revile me as a Jew.
But Luther expected them to convert to his purified Christianity. When they did not, he turned violently against Jews.
It is impossible for modern people to read the horrible passages below and not to think of the burning of synagogues in November 1938 on Kristallnacht. Nor would one wish to excuse Luther for this text.
A number of points must, however, be made. The most important concerns the language used. Luther used violent and vulgar language throughout his career....We do not expect religious figures to use this sort of language in the modern world, but it was not uncommon in the early 16th century. Second, although Luther's comments seem to be proto-Nazi, they are better seen as part of tradition of Medieval Christian anti-Semitism. While there is little doubt that Christian anti-Semitism laid the social and cultural basis for modern anti-Semitism, modern anti-Semitism does differ in being based on pseudo-scientific notions of race. The Nazis imprisoned and killed Jews who had converted to Christianity: Luther would have welcomed them.
None of this justifies what follows, but it may help to comprehend what is happening. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther's anti-Semitic writings.
Luther was not a perfect man - none of us are. He was not anti-Jew even with some of the shocking things he said. I think anyone who takes Luther's writings as a whole, will understand the context of his statements. The site I gave has a link to ALL of Martin Luther's writings if anyone is interested in reading them. And let me say again, nobody follows Martin Luther, the man, and we reject his sentiments that are anti-Semitic. It is Jesus Christ who is our savior and good shepherd, and HE is the head of the church. No fallible, sinful human can take his place.
You paint with too broad a brush - There are many Christians who are not so quick to discard the Torah... Myself included...
Except the Trinity goes against the strict monotheism of Judaism, and it’s one of the reasons why Jews don’t accept Jesus.
I did say that for Christians there is 1 God, not 3, so it is monotheistic..
The differences between Christianity and Judaism are much deeper than just accepting or rejecting Jesus. Christianity comes with a lot of religious baggage that Judaism won’t take, like the entirety of the NT, the Trinity, the Virgin Birth (they believe the Messiah will have a natural conception), original sin, hell, etc.
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