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The Religious Right is Dead
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11/7/12 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:07:12 AM PST by marshmallow

Guys – have a quick puff of your joint before heading down the aisle with your boyfriend. In addition to re-electing Obama, various American states voted to legalise dope and gay marriage. OK, so they weren't necessarily the same states, but you get the picture. Last night was a victory for secular liberal America – or, to put it another way, America's emerging secular liberal majority. The United States is still pious by European standards, but the gap is narrowing every year.

You cannot visit American bookshops without being struck by the popularity of atheist cheerleaders or agnostic self-help gurus; when I meet a young New Yorker or Californian I assume – as I would in Britain – that they don't go to church, have liberal positions on abortion and homosexuality and generally despise the conservative religious activism that, until so recently, had the power to elect presidents.

Two points worth noting about this election. First, the Religious Right – and how dated that phrase already sounds – united around a candidate who, by most standards, is not even a Christian.

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To: ScottfromNJ

It’s the reason why states like California are no longer contested on the national level.

Until the GOP can put California back in play again, the national elections are going to get worse and worse as large states like Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina start to turn solid blue.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 7:42:35 AM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: CityCenter

“This election is disappointing but I also find myself inspired and more committed than ever to do the right thing, cling to Biblical principles, and keep the true Gospel within my heart and mind. I will choose candidates that have my values, win or lose.”

Thank you for this thought. I will share this this with few of my friends.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 7:46:23 AM PST by Vortech
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To: GlockThe Vote

The “religious cons” are the most conservative voting block in America, and they are the people you rage against because they can’t do it all themselves, and in the face of constant snubbing by the GOP?


23 posted on 11/07/2012 9:24:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: bmwcyle
rational conservatives
Name three that won the GOP Primary for President since 1980.
Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, and Romney are not true conservatives.

If you go with the theory that the GOP [national] (1) has an elitists leadership, and (2) is far more corrupt/complacent/complicit with the various improprieties around, then it clarifies things a lot.

It's not cheerful, but that's the second simplest explanation as to why the GOP doesn't have conservatives winning their primary.
(The dead simplest is that the voting-base in the primaries isn't conservative.)

24 posted on 11/07/2012 9:31:02 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marshmallow
various American states voted to legalise dope [...] Last night was a victory for secular liberal America

What's exclusively secular (or liberal) about legal marijuana?

25 posted on 11/07/2012 9:38:30 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ansel12

If they are not voting in elections to oust communists unless their 10/10 dreamboat is on the tivket then they are not “voters” at all correct?


26 posted on 11/07/2012 10:21:17 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Stupid post, you are still attacking the most Romney voting block in America.

Generally people of your sentiments are liberals and democrat voters by a huge margin, the voting block you are attacking, never are, they are the right’s base.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 10:47:00 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12

If they never show up to vote waiting for some God Like figure then they are not “voters” at all.

These people are now irrelevent.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 10:52:07 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Shadowfax

And God hasn’t voted yet. He will, have no doubt.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 10:53:33 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: icwhatudo

you forgot to omention that the population increased. Percentages might be better?


30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:55:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OneWingedShark
If you go with the theory that the GOP [national] (1) has an elitists leadership

It not a theory. It is as plane as the nose on your face. The GOP is full of the children of the Global elite and so is the DEMS.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 11:04:02 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: bmwcyle
>>If you go with the theory that the GOP [national] (1) has an elitists leadership >
It not a theory. It is as plane as the nose on your face. The GOP is full of the children of the Global elite and so is the DEMS.

Yes, but that was only the first part, the second was that it "is far more corrupt/complacent/complicit with the various improprieties around".
The AND there makes a big difference in what is being stated: it's why "sweet and cold" applies to ice cream, but not frozen fish-sticks.

32 posted on 11/07/2012 11:28:29 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

LOL, the republican base that voted republican by 75% are now “irrelevant” to republicans according to you.

Who are you going to replace that voting block with, the anti-Christian vote that is currently, solidly democrat?


33 posted on 11/07/2012 11:47:03 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12; GlockThe Vote
What people who sat out both 2008 and 2012 claim to believe doesn't matter. They don't vote so they're not a "voting block".

They're like gorillas making loud displays to one another on the Internet to show each other how tough they are. In reality, they're so timid that being "snubbed" hurt their little feelers and frightened them into staying home in both 2008 and even more so after four years of seeing exactly what sort of damage Barry can do.

If religious conservatives cared 1/10 as much as they claim to they would have become the most powerful faction within the GOP a long time ago. They'd have all but taken it over precinct by precinct, and State by State. The fascist democrats can count on them staying home and not voting because they know this imaginary "voting block" will accept any excuse the fascist machine spreads. Look at the voting numbers, they didn't show up at the polls so for all intents and purposes they don't exist.

The nation is on fire and the religious conservatives are for the most part playing their fiddles and singing about how well they walk on water.

34 posted on 11/07/2012 11:54:53 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

They are irrelevant.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 12:10:06 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote; Rashputin

Evangelicals did show up in 2008 and 2012, and voted republican by 75%, the Catholics showed up, and voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

If, you are Jewish, or non-religious, or Catholic, or atheist, then you need to explain why your group voted democrat.

Which American voting block did more for conservatism than the Evangelicals?


36 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Rashputin
"They don't vote so they're not a "voting block"."

Leaving aside the CINO argument, the problem is that the Catholics are not a cohesive block because coinservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative. Even when they can muster an actual Conservative candidate the Republican party stands only timidly for life and the traditional family while demonizing social justice and the plight of the poor, the immigrants and various other sinners. The Democrat Party preaches social justice and anti-poverty while bathed in the blood of the unborn and benefiting from the demise of the family. Neither party offered a clear choice except between the speed with which we pursue our demise as the shining city on the hill. And both parties presented significant dilemmas to Catholic voters. We got the government we deserve, may God have mercy on us.

Peace be with you

37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:20 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
It seems to me Catholics turned out in almost the same numbers as 2008 and voted about the same way in spite of the HHS mandate. Evangelicals and others who claim to be conservative Christians didn't turn out in nearly the numbers they did in 2008.

The mythical religious right that never seems to materialize at the polls is what I don't get. Time and again some people focus on the way Catholic voters split and claim some other group never splits and are always perfect Conservatives. The fact is, though, when half of a group doesn't bother to even vote, those who sit out elections are doing even more damage than Catholics who pretty much cancel one another out except for a small percentage gain for the democrat thugs.

When it's all said and done, it seems to me that all the singling out of Catholics and others serves to keep pro-life, pro-Christian values, voters from uniting to be a force within the GOP just as much if not more than it aids the democrat fascists.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: marshmallow
My understanding is that the 'religious right' stayed away in droves yesterday.

Summer 'soldiers'

< spit >

39 posted on 11/07/2012 2:03:28 PM PST by tomkat (god punted 06Nov12)
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To: Rashputin
"When it's all said and done, it seems to me that all the singling out of Catholics and others serves to keep pro-life, pro-Christian values, voters from uniting to be a force within the GOP just as much if not more than it aids the democrat fascists."

Any collection of 64 million anything is not going to be a monolithic block, let alone Catholics. What they have done is to try to impose a Protestant value system on the Church and then bitch about the Church and Catholics not conforming to it. Catholics are Catholics first, Americans second and Republicans or Democrats a distant third. We serve our country best by serving God first and we are not beholding to any earthly power.

What to me is so disingenuous is the attempt to use bad statistical practices to paint the all Catholics as somehow culpable of the actions of those who are demonstrably not in communion with the Church. Making it even worse is the notion that a person who leaves the Church to become a member of a Protestant denomination loses their Catholic identity, but those who leave to become secular humanists do not. Those doing it are real life examples of the Pharisee and the Tax collector.

Peace be with you

40 posted on 11/07/2012 2:35:40 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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