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To: Rashputin
"They don't vote so they're not a "voting block"."

Leaving aside the CINO argument, the problem is that the Catholics are not a cohesive block because coinservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative. Even when they can muster an actual Conservative candidate the Republican party stands only timidly for life and the traditional family while demonizing social justice and the plight of the poor, the immigrants and various other sinners. The Democrat Party preaches social justice and anti-poverty while bathed in the blood of the unborn and benefiting from the demise of the family. Neither party offered a clear choice except between the speed with which we pursue our demise as the shining city on the hill. And both parties presented significant dilemmas to Catholic voters. We got the government we deserve, may God have mercy on us.

Peace be with you

37 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:20 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
It seems to me Catholics turned out in almost the same numbers as 2008 and voted about the same way in spite of the HHS mandate. Evangelicals and others who claim to be conservative Christians didn't turn out in nearly the numbers they did in 2008.

The mythical religious right that never seems to materialize at the polls is what I don't get. Time and again some people focus on the way Catholic voters split and claim some other group never splits and are always perfect Conservatives. The fact is, though, when half of a group doesn't bother to even vote, those who sit out elections are doing even more damage than Catholics who pretty much cancel one another out except for a small percentage gain for the democrat thugs.

When it's all said and done, it seems to me that all the singling out of Catholics and others serves to keep pro-life, pro-Christian values, voters from uniting to be a force within the GOP just as much if not more than it aids the democrat fascists.

38 posted on 11/07/2012 1:52:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Natural Law

“...Catholics are not a cohesive block because coinservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative.”

Very interesting. I am an evangelical and have come to very similar conclusions about these two political gangs. I wish there were fewer positions staked out, and that those positions were actually held. Not going to happen though.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:21 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Turns out that White Horse was just a whitewashed jackass.)
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To: Natural Law; Rashputin; ansel12; Gamecock
....the problem is that the Catholics are not a cohesive block because conservatism has been defined so as to clash with much of Catholic doctrine. We Catholics have effectively allowed the American political system to divide the Church against itself. Although the Democratic Party has increasingly aligned itself with positions that are in direct conflict with Catholic teaching, the Republican Party does not represent a strong moral alternative. Even when they can muster an actual Conservative candidate the Republican party stands only timidly for life and the traditional family while demonizing social justice and the plight of the poor, the immigrants and various other sinners. The Democrat Party preaches social justice and anti-poverty while bathed in the blood of the unborn and benefiting from the demise of the family. Neither party offered a clear choice except between the speed with which we pursue our demise as the shining city on the hill. And both parties presented significant dilemmas to Catholic voters.

In other words, your post advocates redefining "conservatism" to include liberal ideals that this site derides. Why are you posting here? Democratic Underground awaits you!

I don't get what your complaint is. The way I look at it, over 60% of Americans voted yesterday in support of 80% of Catholic social doctrine, at least as your post defines it. For all intents and purposes, the majority of your views won last night.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 9:44:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Natural Law

Wow, that was channeling Ted Kennedy and any other anti-American lefty.

No wonder Catholics embrace the left.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 10:22:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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