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Daughter of LDS Bishop Warns Against Mormonism and Romney Presidency ['Of two evils...neither']
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| Oct. 13, 2012
| Heather Clark
Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
The daughter of a Latter Day Saints bishop and author of a book on Mitt Romneys Mormonism says that she has concerns about a Romney presidency.
Tricia Erickson, who is now a professing Christian after being involved in the LDS establishment for 21 years, stated in an article this week entitled The Obamney Twins that while she cannot support Barack Obama, she is unable to vote for Mitt Romney either.
To me, as a conservative, a Republican and a Christian, I cannot justify a vote for either one of the Obamney baby-killing, annihilators of the family, government healthcare mandated to take over our economy socialist evil twins and be right with our Creator, she wrote.
Erickson pointed out that neither seek to ban abortion, and both have shown support for homosexuality.
Republicans say that they have to vote for Romney because we are losing our country to socialism and after another four years of Obama, there will be nothing left of America. I cant say that I disagree, she said. However, what is never talked about is that Romney has his own goals for the Mormon Church [and] The Mormon Plan for America, and while he is cunning and a good debater, he lacks the judgment to discern that he will not become a god in his next life and receive his own planet.
Erickson has been making the rounds on various talk shows and has been featured in news publications for at least the past year, discussing her concerns with Mormonism and a potential Romney presidency.
While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes, she wrote in her book Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America.
Its like our eyes are glazed over when it comes to the religion of Mitt Romney, Erickson told talk show host Thomas Hartmann in further discussing the matter. If you just knew what Mitt Romney believed, you would run far away from this candidate.
Erickson states that she grew up in a devout Mormon household, and was even married in the LDS temple according to mandated rituals. However, she laments many things that she observed and was subjected to.
It was horrific, she told WND. There I was standing naked [at my wedding]. They brought this bowl of water and started washing my body down, and whispering prayers over my body. They stopped over the right and left breast, the navel and knees and prayed specific prayers.
Erickson stated that because Mitt Romney is a dedicated Mormon, he espouses beliefs that are very concerning, including that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, and that Romney will one day become one of many deities.
Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven, she said. He is going be given his own kingdom/planet. He will be able to call his wife Ann by the secret name that is only given to him in the Mormon secret ceremonies
When he calls her on to his planet, they will have relations to populate the planet with spirit children, as they believe our God has a wife on His planet, and He did the same, and they believe that we are our Gods spirit children from our god mother and god father.
So, all of us here on earth, we existed in a pre-existence with God as a spirit baby, then we came down and inhabited these little babies bodies that are here on the earth, Erickson continued, explaining LDS beliefs. [This was done] so that we could go through our process to venture into godhood.
She said that there has been a longstanding agenda in the LDS establishment to place Mormons into governmental offices.
[The LDS establishment has] been trying since the beginning to get someone in the presidency, because they believe they have to establish their authority so when Jesus comes to earth, the Mormon Church will take control of the government and the Mormons will be the government of God on earth, Erickson explained.
They believe that when Jesus comes back to earth in the millennium, that Hes going to come to Jackson County, Missouri, which thats where they believe the Garden of Eden is, she added.
Former Mormons Dennis and Rauni Higley of H.I.S. Ministries International in Salt Lake City, Utah concur that these indeed are the beliefs of the LDS establishment. They provided Christian News Network with written outlines of their concerns surrounding what is called the White Horse Prophesy.
From its very beginning, the Mormon plan for America has been to have a Mormon president lead this nation and ultimately the world, they stated. The so-called White Horse Prophecy of Joseph Smith has been referred to often as a destiny of the Mormon priesthood in saving the United States. This prophecy predicts that U.S. government will one day hang as if by a single thread and Mormon elders will step in and save it.
Erickson said that in Mormon ceremonies, participants must swear to keep secret what goes on behind closed doors. She advised that in rituals that she was involved with, she observed people being forced to make gestures signifying their death if they revealed what takes place.
They actually had us [symbolically] slashing our guts open and our guts falling to the ground if we told people of the secret dogma of the ceremonies, she stated.
When asked how Erickson knows that Romney espouses these same beliefs, she replied that Romney has long had high ranking in the LDS establishment, holding office as bishop like her father, and working as a Mormon missionary in France for a time.
You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney, she stated. And I have been through the same temple ceremonies
to follow the church first before anything else.
To my way of thinking the idiosyncrasies of Mormon belief and practice are not the issue; Catholic belief in transubstantiation and Protestant belief in the resurrection [of Jesus] can be made to look silly, too, Romney told CNN last year after being informed of Ericksons writings and speeches against him.
Because of these concerns, in Ericksons article this week, she noted that many will vote third party this year or skip the presidential race on the ballot.
Some have said that they will simply not vote for either establishment candidate, [but] instead, in protest, will write-in another name or candidate if they will vote at all, she wrote. I, and approximately 90 million Americans, agree with Charles Spurgeon who says, Of two evils, choose neither.
TOPICS: Current Events; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics; Theology
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To: nevergore
You have a beef with the Morman religion, I and most others dont care."If you don't VOTE for true CHRISTIANITY; then that is a vote for heresy."
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posted on
10/17/2012 7:21:14 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: markomalley
mi, wi, pa, oh are examples of going from Obama to toss up.Yes. And I already listed those four states as among the seven "swing states" in post #14.
IoW, I didn't include them in the "over 40 states" I referenced.
My point still stands: If you as a FREEPER don't live in MI, WI, PA, OH, CO, IA, or NH -- your vote for Virgil Goode won't have an impact upon the electoral college vote...at all...you, thereby, are "free" to vote for Virgil Goode.
Comment #143 Removed by Moderator
To: Elsie
Nothing wrong with this at all; but it leaves the impression that you do not care for eternal matters. Jesus was OK with having a pagan Caesar run the government.
144
posted on
10/17/2012 7:24:23 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
To: Nervous Tick
I chose the one that was pulling America only ten degrees away from the true angle of Your WORD, Do this 17 more times and you'll have accomplished... WHAT?
If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly;
you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case.
You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
--Churchill
145
posted on
10/17/2012 7:26:48 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Conservativegreatgrandma
They don't care if Obama is elected to continue to destroy this country--their boated egos are more important. While others don't care if ROMNEY is elected to run this country--their ideas of FREEDOM and ECONOMY are so much MORE important than men's souls.
146
posted on
10/17/2012 7:28:49 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Colofornian
When we give our vote, we must try to discern Biblically which politician most aligns itself with the tenets, and values of Christianity. When looking between Barak and Mitt, the answer is pretty clear.
You also may wish to withhold your vote for either politician, but to what end?
Colofornian, we have been allies in our fight for Christ, but it is the time to suspend the battle for now. The war will continue until He comes again, but this battle of ours has been lost - - for now.
Go in Peace, brother..... and don’t ping me if you’re looking for support in defeating Romney.
147
posted on
10/17/2012 7:28:52 AM PDT
by
colorcountry
(The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
To: Colofornian
I allege that anyone (including you) that votes "third party" is not prolife because what you're saying is that you prefer electing Obama to electing Romney and your cances of any pro-life legislation coming from Obama is ZERO. This guy voted against saving the lives of aborted babies you may have survived abortion.
If you are going to vote third party--you are pro-abortion. It's that simple.
To: Awgie
Oops...POS should have been POTUS...ouch! ;>(
149
posted on
10/17/2012 7:30:21 AM PDT
by
Awgie
(truth is always stranger than fiction)
To: Elsie
LC, I’m all for exposition of what mormon beliefs are...but honestly, if Romney is the antiChrist, then it’s out of our hands from the beginning.
Voting for Romney is more along the lines of a “whether you eat meat that has been offered to idols” issue. Are we more offended by doing something distasteful, or by an empty belly...and children’s empty bellies.
I hate my choices, more because there are no choices. Romney may be his own brand of craziness, but he’s not a sociopath bent on destroying the country.
We have to keep an eye on him, and I support you getting the word out about some of mormonism’s twisted issues. But an awareness campaign is better than scorched earth, if Romney becomes president you’ll have a mission to raise awareness the next four years, don’t make angry antagonists who won’t listen when they will really need to down the road...just sayin’.
I know you deal with some folks with remarkable patience, I couldn’t do it...kudos
150
posted on
10/17/2012 7:31:36 AM PDT
by
Tuanedge
(Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
To: Elsie
I'm not voting for a man to serve as my spiritual leader.
I'm voting for a man who has the job of maintaining a safe environment to live, work, and raise a family, and to create a decent economic situation.
As such, as long as I have confidence in his honesty and his loyalty to the Constitution, I am unconcerned with his theology as long as he does not hinder my right to practice my theology. As a Catholic, there are plenty on this board who would have issues with MY religion, should I ever be masochistic enough to seek public office. Good day.
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posted on
10/17/2012 7:32:45 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
To: Texas Fossil
But they were good family men, honest business men, reliable Republicans and did not kidnap Christian daughters.Whereas they USED to be Democrats and DID kidnap Christian daughters!
152
posted on
10/17/2012 7:32:51 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Colofornian
Virgil Good is also pro-abortion. Wake up!! The man is a misleading, lying coward who only wants to take your vote or your money and leaving you with four more years of Obama.
I have nothing but contempt for Good or Johnson. They are egomaniacs who care about their own egos and to hell with their country and the unborn.
Look, I don't want to be too hard on you because I once was caught up in this stupid philosophy, too. Now, I realize what a schmuck I was.
To: Colofornian
You tell us since apparently you have some Magic-8 ball or urim & thummim that allows you to go and inwardly judge the motives of complete strangers...
THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI
HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 16
The wicked take the truth to be hardLehis sons marry the daughters of IshmaelThe Liahona guides their course in the wildernessMessages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to timeIshmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
2
And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken
ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the
bguilty taketh the
ctruth to be hard, for it
dcutteth them to the very center.
3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might
awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.
4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.
5
And it came to pass that they did
ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.
6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the
avalley which he called Lemuel.
7
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the
adaughters of Ishmael to
bwife; and also, my brethren took of the
cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also
dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.
8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the
acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.
9
And it came to passthat the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his
ajourney into the wilderness.
10 And it came to passthat as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.
11
And it came to passthat we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take
aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.
12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.
13
And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place
aShazer.
14
And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the
aRed Sea.
15
And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days,
aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.
16 And we did follow the adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.
17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.
18
And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine
asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
20
And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did
amurmur against the Lord.
21
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their
asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
22
And it came to pass I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto
acomplaining against the Lord their God.
23
And it came to pass I, Nephi, did
amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my
bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?
24
And it came to pass that he did
ainquire of the Lord, for they had
bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.
25
And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly
achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.
26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.
27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.
28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.
29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us
aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by
bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.
30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the adirections which were given upon the ball.
31
And it came to pass that I did slay wild
abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.
32
And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained
afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.
33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.
34
And it came to pass that
aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called
bNahom.
35
And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did
amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their
bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did
cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.
36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to
areturn again to Jerusalem.
37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us
aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our
bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.
38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that
aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman
bstir up their hearts to
canger.
39
And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did
achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.
154
posted on
10/17/2012 7:34:17 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: chris37
HeartlessAnd gonadless as well.
155
posted on
10/17/2012 7:35:31 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
To: Elsie
Moo.
157
posted on
10/17/2012 7:37:07 AM PDT
by
chris37
(Heartless.)
To: Elsie
How does the election of Romney to president have anything to do with men’s souls? Government is not a church. I attend a very conservative, Biblically-based church—that is where I learn about God’s plan for salvation. I do not fear a Romney presidency is going to force me to turn Mormon. However, there is a concern that Islam wants to convert me, or kill me.
To: Elsie
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