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Are Catholics into the Bible?
CatholicBridge.com ^ | not given | David MacDonald

Posted on 09/11/2012 7:21:36 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Salvation

Obviously you are correct. My real point is that the men who write these commentaries may be excellent scholars, filled with the Holy Spirit, etc. They are still men like us, and like us they make mistakes. We are responsible for using our own judgment and intelligence. Naturally, we can’t all be biblical scholars.

That said, one test that I use is that the more a commentator tries to get away from the plain text of the Scriptures, especially on the moral issues, the less I tend to trust him on more esoteric measures, such as who gets into heaven or qualifies as a Christian, eschatology, and how our government should function.

Call me an ignorant bigot, but that’s the way i see it.


81 posted on 09/12/2012 9:19:03 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: Alex Murphy

You wrote:

“Have you ever been in a worship service with expository preaching?”

Far less scripture is covered in the average Protestant “worship service with expository preaching” than in the average daily Mass. Feel free to prove me wrong.


82 posted on 09/12/2012 9:41:19 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Salvation

The Bible is the word of God. The Eucharist is the body and blood of Jesus. Sacraments give us grace. We find God in one or the other, not is just one.


Do you know of some Bible courses that are not presented by Hahn or Cavins?


83 posted on 09/12/2012 9:54:21 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: ex-snook

Those doctrinal formulations slightly predate Scott Hahn.


84 posted on 09/12/2012 11:10:32 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Salvation; All
Most Catholics are very into the Bible--in a late nineteenth century liberal German Protestant kind of way. They know all about J, E, P, and D and how the Book of Daniel simply "could not have" been written by Daniel (but rather two hundred years later), etc. And of course, it goes without saying, that almost 100% of Catholics (especially the clergy and theologians) reject the very possibility of the events described in Genesis 1-11 ever having actually happened.

Bible-deniers tend to be very, very, very familiar with the Biblical text (often more familiar than "Bible believers"). But being "into" the Bible doesn't mean believing it.

85 posted on 09/12/2012 11:36:18 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Documentary Hypothesis? You’re not going to see too many elderly hippys posting to this thread, ZC.


86 posted on 09/12/2012 12:05:20 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
The Documentary Hypothesis? You’re not going to see too many elderly hippys posting to this thread, ZC.

The problem isn't "elderly hippys" on Free Republic. The problem is that all the mainstream "conservative" Catholic apologeticists (think "Catholic Answers") subscribe to it, and the late date for Daniel, and the idea that the events in Genesis 1-11 never happened. That's just the way it is. Any Catholic who doesn't believe these things is an oddball. And I should know, because I was one for six years.

EWTN? Mitchell Pacwa? Not subscribe to the documentary hypothesis?

Really?

87 posted on 09/12/2012 12:13:58 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: ex-snook

Jeff Cavins has an excellent Bible study series — video — so everyone in the parish can be doing the same Bible study.
I’m thinking it’s called “The Great Adventure” Bible study.

Someone posted online that they started out at their church with only one Bible study group and now have seven. Don’t remember who it was, though.

Look on Hahn’s website. You should find it.

http://www.salvationhistory.com/


88 posted on 09/12/2012 2:54:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ex-snook

Now I see you said “not” in your request.

Come and See series is a good one.


89 posted on 09/12/2012 2:55:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ex-snook

Ignatius also has a very detailed Bible study.

I have taught Little Rock — but it is mostly concerned with history. Needs augmenting.


90 posted on 09/12/2012 2:57:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bramps; wideawake
did you ever consider that the men who created the Catholic religion got something very wrong

you mean the Apostles?

91 posted on 09/12/2012 11:00:16 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bramps; wideawake
What about the various cases of pastors abusing kids? This was posted on FR -- would you then condemn all Christian pastors (and the majority, 95 to 98% of pastors (Catholic or not) do NOT do this)?
SK (Baptist) pastor arrested on child rape charges

Pastor had sex with teens to cure their homosexuality

Riverside Pastor Now Faces 91 Sex-Related Charges

San Jose pastor accused of molesting boy

Pastor admits molesting 2 girls

Pastor held for sexually exploiting minor girls

Where is the Outrage? (evangelical pedophiles)

Pastor Admits Guilt in Sexual Abuse Cases on Consecutive Days

Pastor in Puyallup charged with child molesting

Pastors: Homosexuality not a sin (100 ordained Christian ministers have signed the proclamation)

Pastor arrested on child molestation charges

Teen testifies of abuse by pastor

Humboldt pastor pleads guilty to sex abuse

Charlotte Presbytery, too, ends gay ban

Clergy Sex Abuse in the Southern Baptist Convention

Kingston, PA, youth minister accused of molesting teens

Pastor Arrested For Child Molestation (DeLand, FL)

Arizona pastor arrested, accused of molesting boys in 3 states

Fugitive pastor wanted on child sex charges found (raw video link) (Gaston Co NC)

Sacramento pastor Molesting Teen

Pastor settles with victim out of court

Kelso Pastor Charged With Multiple Rapes In Portland, OR

Pastor jailed for rape

Delray pastor gets no jail time for molestation

pastor pleads guilty to molesting boy, attempt on brother

pastor gets 4 year sentence for molesting teens

Jersey Pastor Forced Teens to Make Sex Tape at Motel,

Coral springs youth pastor arrested for 10 counts of lewd and lascivious molestation

Ada preacher charged with molesting young boys

New Life Christian Center vows to support accused pastor (accused of sex with 13 y/o)

Pastor Convicted Of Sex Assault Dies In Prison (Dogwood City, TX)

Former Gladewater, TX, pastor pleads guilty in sexual assault of a child trial

Pastor arrested on charges of solicitation (High Point, NC)

pastor faces hearing on sex charges

Child molesting case resurfaces, could cost First Baptist Church of Hesperia millions

Former Prestonwood, TX, pastor remains jailed, faces online solicitation charges

First Baptist Church deacon Stephen Edmonds pleaded guilty to molesting three boy

Watertown, SD, Pastor Arrested, Charged With Sex Crimes

pastor pleads to 9 counts of voyeurism

Suits allege clergy misconduct, Two Baptist ministers apologize after women bring forth accusations

Stafford minister jailed for sex with boy in '80s


92 posted on 09/12/2012 11:02:07 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bramps; wideawake
bramps: Or again, abortion and homosexual agenda loving politicians being allowed to receive the Eucharist at Catholic mass?

Bramps: I simply would've expected the Pope to follow the bible and kindly show Giuliani the door prior to receiving the Eucharist. Could I seriously ask you to explain why you think he did not do this?

Firstly, does it say in the Bible that Giuliani should be shown the door prior to receiving the Eucharist?

Secondly, what's the use of him receiving the Eucharist after he's been shown the door?

Thirdly and to the point -- what makes you think the Pope even recognizes some mayor of some city far away? -- in a crowd at mass do you think the Pope knows who Guiliani is? Just another face in the crowd.

Why should the Pope know who Guiliani is and what he looks like? Do YOU know what the mayor of say Manchester looks like?

93 posted on 09/12/2012 11:03:48 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bramps; wideawake
the number is very significant which says much about the church itself. -- you mean last time 51% and next time less?

What about the hordes of non-Catholics who voted for Obama? Catholics even those in name only are just 26% of the electorate, so with a split the non-Catholics are the ones who got Obama in.

I'm fairly certain that the number of Obama voters at my church will be 0 -- in a church of 1 you can be certain of the number of voters

94 posted on 09/12/2012 11:06:04 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Iscool
There are so many things in this book you posted that prove your religion has no business trying to understand what God says...

of course, this is Christianity we are talking about, Christians (Catholics, Orthodox, lutherans, Pentecostals, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc) -- now go read the Koran, isn't it ramadan time still?

95 posted on 09/12/2012 11:07:09 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Iscool; wideawake
Since that is no where close to my experience, I don't believe you...

how many times do they read the Hadiths and the suras at r place?

96 posted on 09/12/2012 11:08:12 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bramps; wideawake
nd you never answered my questions -- in your beautifully silly post 38 which says actually read the bible themselves rather than depend on flawed Catholic translations

to which I ask --> interesting - so do you read the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Koine Greek texts?

Or do you read in Shakespearean 17th century English or current Modern English?

You do know that the books of the Bible were not written in standard American in the 1st century, right?

97 posted on 09/12/2012 11:08:36 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bramps; wideawake
and you never answered my questions -- in your beautifully silly post 34 which quotes Apocalypse saying if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy and then mistakenly thinks this is for the entire collection of books that is the Bible -- do you then read the book of Maccabees? Or is this taken away from the scroll?
98 posted on 09/12/2012 11:08:52 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: bramps; wideawake
and you never answered my questions -- in your beautifully silly post 34 it forgets that Revelation was among the last books to be added to canon? And did you know that most of the Early Christian communities rejected it? Even to today the book of Revelation is not read in the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. The Addition of the Book of Revelation/Apocalypse shows how the Church under the grace of the Holy Spirit pulled together the Canon that is the Bible today. Church in scripture rejected the Shepherd of Hermas even though it was accepted as scripture by many Early Christians and put in Apocalypse even after objections by many

Syrian Christians in the 2nd century rejected it, Martin Luther initially considered it to be "neither apostolic nor prophetic" and stated that "Christ is neither taught nor known in it," and is not known of in the ancient church of the Georgians.

99 posted on 09/12/2012 11:09:28 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: vladimir998

It depends on which “Protestant” — there are too many of them, some like the Unitarians etc. don’t read the Bible at all, others like the Christian scientists read the Bible in minutae.


100 posted on 09/12/2012 11:10:43 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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