The core tenet of Christianity is belief in the Holy Trinity, neither BHO or Romney believe~!

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[Cronos]

It took a Jew to bring salvation...and it took another Joe..Roy

Interesting, elevating Roy Masters to the level of Christ?

for the false God of an intellectualized version of the real thing. -- Nah, that's Roy Master's version. In contrast, Christ's version as taught by Christ Himself and handed down through the Apostles, that's good for me. Not for me the I am able to actually live out my holy spirit. -- to "use up one's holy spirit" -- wow. delusions of divinity?

but anyone worth their salt will have enemies. -- don't be delusional, shamsters like Masters and his followers don't have enemies -- just people who consider them in the same basket case as the peahen that was repeatedly dropped on its head as a baby...

[Cronos]

“it is not the exclusive property of the Church” — on that, this Catholic agrees with you. The Church, orthodoxy (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental) is the trunk. Some branches of Protestantism branch off from orthodoxy, but are still part of Christianity. Others, like the non-trinitarian views you see here are not part of this tree of Christ...

[unlearner]

“You can not have this biblical reality deem otherwise then there is no true Christ without His Divinity having flesh which only came through a Mother. This is why Mary is the mother of God/ Divinity whether you like it or not. “

I do not intend to be rude or offensive, but I have never debated anyone in my whole life who uses semantics as the basis of an erroneous argument more than my Catholic friends. This argument is like describing a vehicle in an accident report as a “means of transportation”. Well a jet aircraft is a means of transportation. Can we be more specific? Should a judge need to ask whether you were hit by a plane, or pickup, sedan or motorcycle? Wouldn’t it be prudent to be specific with the relevant facts?

The fact is Mary never had and never will have anything to do with God’s existence. Yet the term “mother of God” implies such when “mother of Christ” specifically and accurately describes her role in the incarnation. She was not the mother of God the Father, nor of God the Holy Spirit but of the Son of God. This phrase Catholics use and promote is false because it conveys false information by it being too broad. The Bible does not use this term for a reason. Because it is not accurate.

The humanity and deity of Christ were intertwined and inseparable from His conception, yet His deity existed before that time and had none of its origin in Mary. Mary’s entire existence came from Him. His existence never at any time depended upon her, her cooperation, willingness, righteousness, or anything else some might claim she contributed. There is simply zero support for such an abominable doctrine within the scriptures. And there is plenty to contradict such ideas.

Yet Catholic clergymen continue to promote this abominable custom with the rosary and hail Mary’s. Look at Luke 4:41. Demons were crying out that Jesus is the Son of God. Was He? Yes. But He did not allow them to speak. Look at Acts 16:16-18. The demon-possessed slave-girl followed the apostles saying, “These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.” Was this true? Yes. But similarly Paul put a stop to it by casting out the evil spirit. Today, clergymen are promoting a grotesque mockery of the Biblical doctrine of the incarnation, encouraging empty repetition of things like “mother of God” which is a twisted doctrine turned into an abominable act of idolatry- something the real Mary would be grieved deeply over.

When a person dies they are no longer bound to familial human relations. Jesus affirmed this when the Sadducees asked about whose wife would a woman be in the resurrection. Paul also affirmed this in Romans when describing the bonds of marriage. He also wrote that those who previously knew Christ “after the flesh” no longer knew Him this way. His true identity had become fully revealed beginning at the transfiguration and then when He was seen by witnesses after His resurrection. So His family, including His mother, no longer had the same family relationship with Him. This is another reason why Jesus commended His mother into the care of John the disciple. He, even before then, explained that those who hear the word of God and keep it are His brother, sister and mother.

In spite of this simple truth, Catholic clergy are constantly guilty of leading their followers astray by encouraging prayers to Mary because she supposedly has some special access and privilege of influence now toward God. Prayers should be directed to God alone and not to the dead. They may not be dead toward God, but we are separated by their physical death until the resurrection. And if God allowed them to reply to such unholy practices they would answer the same as Samuel to Saul: “why have you disturbed me to bring me up?” These clergymen infer upon Mary divine abilities of being able to intercede for millions of earth-bound believers. This is something God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are able to do because they are God. That is, they constantly intercede for believers. No such claims are so much as hinted at for Mary or anyone else in the scriptures.

Read 2 Kings 18:3-6. God instructed Moses to make the brass serpent and for the Israelites to look on it to be healed. Yet Hezekiah had to destroy it because the people had burned incense to it. It had become an idol. The passage makes it clear that he pleased the Lord with his obedience, citing this as an example. Such is the case with Catholic icons. They are supposed to represent saints and characters of the Bible. But they have been constantly and repeatedly used in idolatrous fashions including burning incense to them, praying to them, and kneeling to them. These things are not merely done in secret but openly, publicly and with rhetorical defense by clergymen who approve of these abominations.

These things greatly provoke God’s wrath who will certainly visit it on those who do not repent of the wickedness of their idolatry. Anyone here defending this evil has been duly warned. I am pleading and begging for each of you to reconsider using the most forceful language I can because of what is at stake. There is no place for idolaters in the Heavenly kingdom, only the outer darkness awaits. See Revelation 22:15.

[unlearner]

See post #183 above.

[unlearner]

See post #183 above.

[techworker]

I am really surprised that on a religion thread, that people are wading in here and making statements that the Trinity is a Catholic belief only.... That’s why I replied to Post 1, not that you said anything wrong stpio... I am just in shock that these folks would post when they are so uninformed. I tend to keep quiet on a thread if I am not of expert opinion on the topic, but good lord people. Step up yo’ game... Read...Think...Post or something like that.

Well I guess the fact that it’s in religion doesn’t matter since everyone sees it but still.

[Cronos]

Yet the term “mother of God” implies such when “mother of Christ” specifically and accurately describes her role in the incarnation

Christ = God. Mary bore God the Son. Jesus Christ is not a separation of two halves.

[RobbyS]

Of course Mary has nothing to do with God’s existence. But everything to do with the Incarnation. You don’t like the title “Mother of God” because it is too “broad.” But the doctrine is clear that she is the Mother of the Son, not Father, Son and the Spirit, whatever you think it “implies.”

[fabian]

I never brought Roy to the level of Jesus...you are being deceptive there.

[Cronos]

I never brought Roy to the level of Jesus.

really? then why did you say It took a Jew to bring salvation...and it took another Joe..Roy..to uncover the simple and right way to pray in the same fashion that Jesus did. -- stop being deceptive...

[johngrace]

I do not mean to be rude but your statement is dead wrong. This is in the Bible if you know what is being written.

" The humanity and deity of Christ were intertwined and inseparable from His conception, yet His deity existed before that time and had none of its origin in Mary. Mary’s entire existence came from Him. His existence never at any time depended upon her, her cooperation, willingness, righteousness, or anything else some might claim she contributed. There is simply zero support for such an abominable doctrine within the scriptures. And there is plenty to contradict such ideas."

Yikes! That would be anti-christ logic.

She did not cooperate? So he is a tyrant/ dictator and we have no choice. We can not love such a God as in love the Lord thou God and neighbor if it is forced. Love comes from free will. Hello!

Divinity put on the Flesh/Humanity from a woman because he was born from one. Hello! If not we have an Antichrist as the apostle John writes in:

1 John Chapter 4

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:..Read More[Read More]

3 and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already...Read More[Read More]

15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him, and he in...Read More[Read More]

2 John Chapter 1

7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist...Read More[Read More]

Revelation Chapter 3

5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels...Read More[Read More]

FULL VERSION

1 John 4

On Denying the Incarnation

(the Incarnation, the doctrine that the second person of the Trinity assumed human form in the person of Jesus Christ and is completely both God and man.)

4 "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. "

If you really do not believe the Bible time is running out.

[boatbums]

Aha, so non-Trinitarians are fine, like quixotic, eh?

Do you have a problem understanding plain English? Stop badgering and goading me or I WILL file an abuse report. If and when I decide to make a comment on a thread, it will be because I want to - NOT because you dare me to! Knock it off.

[fabian]

This is an obvious statement and also shows how righteous and high minded you are trying to be with me. I never elevated Roy to a savior...there is only one of those so quit being a liar. Thank you. Some christian you are. Mr . High and mighty is how you sound. Your type is what turn people away from true religion and faith. Shame on you!

[vladimir998]

The Catholic Church is the trunk. Protestantism is just an offshoot.

[Cronos]

. Your type is what turn people away from true religion and faith. Shame on you!

True religion is not based on some quack like Master's statements or preaching. True faith is in Christ alone, not in some quackadoodle.

Leave these false preachers like J. Smith, Masters etc...

[Cronos]

I’m pointing out hypocrisy when I see it. This goes on record...

[Cronos]

Jesus did not even mention.

you mean you think that we Christians are false to say Jesus Christ is God, part of the Triune God?

[Cronos]

Jesus did not even mention.

Jesus Christ is/was God, only God could say and do what He did. Why do you not believe that Jesus is God?

[Hegewisch Dupa]

this is gonna be rich....