Islam & Lds, Muhammad & Joseph Smith: Similarities (+ Lds ecumenical nods toward Islam) [Vanity]

Colofornian | July 31, 2012 | Colofornian

[Colofornian]

Per the Feb. 7, 2012 Pakistan Independent (see first link below), "The current LDS First Presidency Statement of 1978 says specifically mentions Prophet Muhammad as one of ‘the great religious leaders of the world’ who received ‘a portion of God’s light….’”

It would appear, therefore, that the Muslim world might be "happy" with either an Obama re-election or Mitt Romney. And, hey, why not? Just look at all the "ecumenical" outreach attempts with Islam made by Mormon leaders in the "ecumenical" link section listed below.

For these past seven years, over a dozen Freepers have been faithful in posting the 25 articles linked below...several of these written by Mormon writers/sources -- and one thread below posted by a Mormon.

Detailed Similarities 'Tween Islam & Lds; 'Tween Muhammad & Joseph Smith

* Mormonism: What the Latter Day Saints think of Islam [Indicator of how Mitt perceives Islam?] [Pakistan Independent thread]
* Mitt Romney: "Islam is not an inherently violent faith" [My Note: With this kind of lack of Romney foreign policy discernment, expect MORE Romney foreign policy boo-boos like his comments in the UK @ Olympics]
* Islamic And Mormonism Similarities: Similarities Between Joseph Smith and Muhammad (Written by Brother Andrew, a pioneer missionary leader to typically "closed" countries re: the gospel)
* Islamic And Mormonism Similarities (Same content posted a year later on FR)
* Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism (posted by Freeper poster Kaslin and written by one with an Egyptian heritage)
* Common Threads between Islam and Mormonism (same thread as above -- posted by another FREEPER)
* Mormons and Muslims? How do you all see each other? [Written @ BYU source]
* A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad Mormon-(OPEN) [Written by a BYU prof and posted in official Lds church publication]
* Thoughts on Islam,” in Mormons and Muslims: Spiritual Foundations and Modern Manifestations
* Muslims and Latter-day Saints Mormon (OPEN) [article from a recognized Lds site]
* Bridges of faith between Mormons and Muslims
* (LDS)L.D.S. perspective on Islam (this is an earlier -- 2005 --FR thread citing a BYU prof who's been deemed a "leader" among Lds apologists)

Mormons and Muslim 'ecumenicalism':

* Mormons, Muslims break the fast in Southern California (Mormon "interfaith outreach)
* Muslims and Mormons share worship space in St Charles
* A Message of Friendship: Muslims and Latter-Day Saints [from a recognized Lds apologetics Web site]
* BYU Hawaii’s First Non-Mormon Student President Credits Mormons for Making Him a Better Muslim
* Muslims attending BYU focus on similarities between Islam, LDS tenets
* Mormons, Muslims get along by creating books, not destroying them [LDS OPEN]
* Major Islamic art exhibit being installed at BYU [Utah Mormon University]
* 'Beauty and Belief' - Acclaimed Islamic art exhibit at BYU [Mormon]
* Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad (LDS/Muslim Caucus) (This was posted by a Mormon and was written by a BYU prof)

Mormonism's 'ecumenicalism' with Muslim jihadists even extends after death!

* Revealed: Mormons Baptized 9/11 Hijacker, made several attempts to Baptize Mohammed
* MSNBC: MORMONS BAPTIZED 9/11 HIJACKER: Will Mainstream Media destroy Romney over his Religion?

Terrorist parallels

* Twin Sept. 11 tragedies created tides of religious intolerance
* Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith tangles with a quirk of Arkansas history [Washington Post thread]

[PA Engineer]

We have been dealing with the mormon/alinsky tactics on FR since at least 2007, and there have been many attempts to shut us up. Yours is just another FAIL.

This is about a Freepathon challenge, and not "censorship". I don't see you bumping the Freepathon thread yet. Get her done.

[greyfoxx39]

Back to the subject of the thread:

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"They (muslims) ridicule the idea of taqiyya, calling it "the hiding of true beliefs, religiously sanctioned for Muslims, usually minority Shiites, under hostile rule." They don't mention that the idea of religious deception in Islam is not just held by Shi'ites, but is founded on the Koran, which tells Muslims that they can pretend to be friends with unbelievers to "guard themselves against them" (3:28). A hadith explains this as meaning "We smile in the faces of some people, but behind their backs we curse them." That sounds like Rauf, with his love for religious dialogue in English and rejection of it in Arabic, to me."

Pamela Geller

Why Some People Don’t Trust What Mormons Say.

http://www.ldsrevelations.com/blog/?p=62

“I have said for years that the LDS Church and it’s members are not exactly truthful with outsiders about their religion. In fact, many times they are purposely deceitful about beliefs, practices or doctrines that are problematic. Mormons tell me this is simply not true— that there is no systematic deception in the Church.

I know better. I used to be on their team and call it what you want— “milk before meat”, avoiding casting “pearls before swine”, or “coded language”, it’s all lying as far as I’m concerned. If the answers are designed to mislead the questioner then clearly there’s some deception going on whether or not the deceivers have justified it their own minds .

I bring this up because in his recent Mormon Times article, http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705379338/Hugh-Nibleys-coded-language-and-the-minority-mind-set.html?pg=all Boyd J. Petersen discusses this phenomenon. He talks about ” the divided sense of self that” LDS who migrate out of Mormon communities “often experience in the larger society.” Peterson also refers to this condition as a “divided self” or “double consciousness.”

Peterson says:

“Mormons would like nothing more than to see themselves as fully American and fully Mormon,” Petersen said, ‘but they are constantly forced to see their Mormonness through the lens of ignorance and misconception that their fellow Americans have.””

Peterson then talks about the use of coded language:

“One coping mechanism minorities use is to develop a special coded language. It allows them to speak to two different audiences at once. It is a form of doublespeak, and Mormons use it to both give information and to hide information, according to Petersen.

One example Petersen used involved a response Mitt Romney gave during his presidential run when asked about doing baptisms for the dead. Romney said, ‘I have in my life, but I haven’t recently.’

Outsiders might deduce a mild renunciation of the practice. Most Mormons, however, know that baptisms for the dead are usually performed by youths.”

While I understand the complexities of trying to explain a culture or lifetstyle to those outside of it, I can’t help but think that doublespeak and coded launguage only make the problem worse. How can people begin to understand Mormonism when the members themselves are unwilling or unable to tell the truth about the belief system? And how will outsiders learn to trust Mormons when they have reason to think everything they are told by LDS members is some sort of coded dodge?It’s just plain dishonest as well.

So I ask, “What has happened to the proud LDS tradition of boldy telling the truth that is taught in Sunday School and in Conference?” Is that all doublespeak as well?

[colorcountry]

Orrin Hatch, is that you?

[Elsie]

I don't see you bumping the Freepathon thread yet.

Since you WON'T be 'seeing' me do it either; can I expect your same response each time I post to you?

[Elsie]

...the hiding of true beliefs...

What they DO expose is enough for folks with more than one brain cell!

[Tennessee Nana]

I thought maybe it was some sort of clan meeting in Hawaii or something.
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do the mormons still do that clan thing ???

I thought they quit their racist doctrines in 1978 when their good buddy Jimmuh Carter blackmailed them into letting black men join their club ???

Still you did say Hawaii and there is that big Mormon hotel resort there ...

[colorcountry]

Ah shoot, there I am.

[Tennessee Nana]

And here I thought I was the only one thinking the Mormon bigots got real quiet
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Oh no...

The Mormon bigots have been busy attacking Christians and Conservatives viciously...

Their anti-Christian mantra is full throtle...

[svcw]

oooops Actually 2002.

[PA Engineer]

Oh my. I don’t see your name on the pings, but no problem I am adding you. Thanks for pointing that out. Oh, how about getting the rest of your spamming-posse to donate and get it done.

[svcw]

Hey I don' t want to make you feel bad but you are on the religion forum and this thread is about mormonism.
Maybe you should post about the fund-raising somewhere else, so you could get input related to your posts.

[Tennessee Nana]

I read the Gunnison book online a few years ago...

Its an exposure of the evil that was really going on in the Utah territory...

[PA Engineer]

Orrin Hatch, is that you?

Markos Moulitsas Zúniga is that you?

[PA Engineer]

Sorry...ya don’t get off at your arbitrary “seven”...my lds ping list has long been in the dozens...will you or will you not ... for the month of august...match EVERY Freeper who comes on this specific thread who have indicated they have given a new gift of up to $100?

Don't spam another thread. Where is your name? Come on and get her done.

Now you are whining. See the ping at 32? Count it out. I will be donating another $100 tomorrow. I will ping the spammer posse each time as a reminder. LOL. I'm your friend now and will happily join your threads.

[colorcountry]

Oh my. I don’t see your name on the pings, but no problem I am adding you. Thanks for pointing that out. Oh, how about getting the rest of your spamming-posse to donate and get it done.

Then you sir, don't know your adversary, for I am a charter member of the Inman Posse.

This is the first time I have ever requested that my name be posted as a donor. Before, I viewed it as a bit Pharisaical to announce my contribution so publicly, but for some reason I was prompted to have it listed this quarter. Now I know that God indeed works in mysterious ways. :D

Also I have insider information that some of our 'posse' are also anonymous donators. Now go forth and continue ringing your own bell.

p.s. )I had to google Markos Moulitsas. That is how much I pay attention to that slimy site. I guess you are quite familiar with it.

[PA Engineer]

Hey. I just donated again today. How about getting it done without the attacks. I’m asking a lot of your kind I know. I will be joining all of your threads with my new ping list. I am going to become your best friend. Bless your heart.

[ejonesie22]

I have gotten her done thanks...

Now as to the thread do you want to keep disrupting it or you have something intelligent to add...

[colorcountry]

Good news! I can always use a friend.

Hey, PA, I visited your homepage and noticed you have never visited Utah, nor Idaho, nor Wyoming....the very heart of Mormonism. I’ve lived in Utah and the Inter-mountain West my entire life. I dare to say I know a bit more about Mormonism than you will ever know. Maybe you could actually take some time and become acquainted with us. It might surprise you.