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Gvmt minister rebukes bishops on Catholic sexual teaching: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore!’
Life Site News ^ | 4/42012 | Patrick B. Craine

Posted on 04/04/2012 8:52:24 PM PDT by Morgana

TORONTO, Ontario, April 4, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Catholic schools will no longer be allowed to teach the Catechism’s doctrine that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered,” says a cabinet minister in Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty’s government.

As politicians debated a bill that would force Catholic schools to launch gay clubs on March 29th, Member of Provincial Parliament Glen Murray (Toronto Centre) lashed out against Ontario’s bishops over Catholic teaching on homosexuality.

“I have to say to the bishops: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore,’” said Murray, an open homosexual who serves as McGuinty’s Minister of Training, Colleges and Universities, according to the Hansard transcript.

“I’m not allowed to say to the Catholics—nor should I—or to other Christians or Muslims or Jews, that because of your faith you’re intrinsically disordered,” he continued.

“I would never say to you that anything that goes on in your family with the person you love—can you imagine me describing a husband-and-wife relationship as inherently depraved?” he added.

Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholics said Murray’s comments “amount to a declaration of war against the Catholic Church and all people who support traditional moral values.”

“We’ve been saying all along that McGuinty wants to dictate what the Church can teach in its schools and here it is straight from the government’s mouth,” Dominic added.

Murray made the comments in a debate on Bill 13, known as the Accepting Schools Act, which seeks to impose tougher consequences, including expulsion, for “bullying and hate-motivated actions,“ but has been largely framed around the issue of homosexuality.

The bill requires all schools, including the publicly-funded Catholic schools, to start clubs for homosexual students, which can be called “gay-straight alliance or another name.”

Over 2,000 parents and concerned citizens rallied outside Queen’s Park last Thursday calling for the bill’s defeat.

Pro-family advocates charge that gay-straight alliances encourage the normalization and affirmation of the homosexual lifestyle, and promote homosexual activism by tying youth into a cross-continent network of activists.

And Ontario’s Catholic bishops have opposed the controversial clubs, saying they encourage early self-identification as homosexual, and have instead begun setting up a network of clubs under the name “Respecting Differences”.

The anti-bullying bill follows a year-long campaign to force gay-straight alliances on the Catholic schools, but activists have nevertheless been dissatisfied, charging that the bill stops short of forcing the GSA name.

As a result, Ontario’s New Democratic Party has promised an amendment that would require schools to use the name “gay-straight alliance.”

Despite Murray’s statement that the bishops are “not allowed” to teach Catholic teaching on homosexuality, in the same speech at the legislature he said: “There’s no one here that’s suggesting that we shouldn’t teach a Catholic perspective in our schools.”

“It is about celebrating diversity. It isn’t about taking Catholic teaching out of Catholic schools,” he continued. “It’s about putting life-affirming, positive images and stories around gay and lesbian children, Muslim children, kids and women of all shapes.”

Murray’s comments are the most clear public statement from the government thus far that it intends to forbid Catholic teaching on homosexuality in the Catholic schools. The right of Ontario’s Catholic schools to receive public funding while imparting the Catholic faith is guaranteed under Canada’s Constitution.

In January 2010, a Ministry of Education spokeswoman had refused to answer direct questions from LifeSiteNews as to whether the government’s “equity and inclusive education strategy” would be used to forbid the controversial Catholic teaching.

In April 2011, another Ministry spokesperson said the mandatory homosexual clubs could not help students to “reform their sexuality.”

In the fall, former Minister of Education Kathleen Wynne said the education system is the government’s “single most important” avenue to tackle “homophobia.” She said she was “very disappointed” by the refusal of Catholic school boards’ to allow gay-straight alliances but that she expects the boards “will all come around.”

Current Minister of Education Laurel Broten has labeled opponents Bill 13’s pro-family opponents as “homophobic.”

In December, Murray said that by 2013 all prospective teachers in the province, both for the Catholic and public school boards, will be required to undergo focused training in “sexual orientation” and “gender diversity.”

Premier Dalton McGuinty, who identifies himself as a Catholic, has said that he aims to change the province’s “attitudes” on homosexuality, noting it’s a process that “should begin in the home.”

LifeSiteNews.com did not hear back from Glen Murray by press time.

Contact Information:

Dalton McGuinty, Premier Legislative Building Queen’s Park Toronto ON M7A 1A1 Fax: (416) 325-3745 E-mail: Use this form.

Tim Hudak, Opposition Leader The Ontario PC Party 19 Duncan Street Suite 401 Toronto, ON M5H 3H1 Phone: 416-861-0020 Toll-free: 1-800-903-6453 Fax: 416-861-9593 Email: tim.hudakco@pc.ola.org


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To: ottbmare
Perhaps the Catholic schools in Canada will have to stop taking Canadian government money so that they can teach Catholic doctrine in its entirety, without the interference of pro-homosex government ministers.

You expect that when Catholic schools stop taking government money they will be left alone? Dream on. The intrinsically disordered will use the power of government to suppress everywhere and in every way those who continue to tell the truth, to call them intrinsically disordered.
21 posted on 04/05/2012 6:15:46 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Morgana

McGuinty must be a big fan of Herod Antipas and Herodias. They had a man named John The Baptist murdered for not “celebrating” their alternative adulterous(and incestuous) sexual lifestyle:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%206:14-29&version=ESVUK

Mark 6:14-29

English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

The Death of John the Baptist

14 King Herod heard of it, for Jesus’[a] name had become known. Some[b] said, “John the Baptist[c] has been raised from the dead. That is why these miraculous powers are at work in him.” 15 But others said, “He is Elijah.” And others said, “He is a prophet, like one of the prophets of old.” 16 But when Herod heard of it, he said, “John, whom I beheaded, has been raised.” 17 For it was Herod who had sent and seized John and bound him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife, because he had married her. 18 For John had been saying to Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.” 19 And Herodias had a grudge against him and wanted to put him to death. But she could not, 20 for Herod feared John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and he kept him safe. When he heard him, he was greatly perplexed, and yet he heard him gladly.

21 But an opportunity came when Herod on his birthday gave a banquet for his nobles and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee. 22 For when Herodias’s daughter came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his guests. And the king said to the girl, “Ask me for whatever you wish, and I will give it to you.” 23 And he vowed to her, “Whatever you ask me, I will give you, up to half of my kingdom.” 24 And she went out and said to her mother, “For what should I ask?” And she said, “The head of John the Baptist.” 25 And she came in immediately with haste to the king and asked, saying, “I want you to give me at once the head of John the Baptist on a platter.” 26 And the king was exceedingly sorry, but because of his oaths and his guests he did not want to break his word to her. 27 And immediately the king sent an executioner with orders to bring John’s[d] head. He went and beheaded him in the prison 28 and brought his head on a platter and gave it to the girl, and the girl gave it to her mother. 29 When his disciples heard of it, they came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.


22 posted on 04/05/2012 6:58:47 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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23 posted on 04/06/2012 7:02:30 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: Morgana

Elizabethan England again.

Santayana was right.


24 posted on 04/06/2012 8:21:19 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Morgana

Elizabethan England again.

Santayana was right.


25 posted on 04/06/2012 8:21:19 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Campion

Government funding of schools should not be a determinant in this, in justice.

The government funds Catholic schools because it finds Catholic schools to be in the public interest.

If the government, according to some bigoted faggot in it, no longer finds Catholic Schools to be in the public interest, they are free to stop the funding. They still have no business telling the schools what to teach. In a free country, anyway.

Go fund your own damn schools, perverts. With gay clubs.


26 posted on 04/06/2012 12:33:12 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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At this point I think financial/economic collapse will have a huge silver lining. If federal govs don't have money, how to they get to tell anyone what to do? Just wondering...

27 posted on 04/06/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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28 posted on 04/06/2012 4:18:29 PM PDT by narses
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To: Morgana
Let me see if I have this right: The Catholic Church out lasted the Caesars, Diocletian, the Borgias, the Black Plague, the Dark ages, protestant reformation, Hitler and Stalin, Communism in general, numerous internal scandals, and this little Canuck Mo is going to tell them what they can and can't teach.

Yeah get back to me in about 6 months and let me know how that works out for you and your career.

29 posted on 04/06/2012 4:29:18 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: ottbmare

There’s a thought. Canadian Catholics can serve God or they can serve Mamon. They cannot serve both.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 4:43:26 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: ottbmare

From the article:

“The right of Ontario’s Catholic schools to receive public funding while imparting the Catholic faith is guaranteed under Canada’s Constitution.”


31 posted on 04/06/2012 5:06:01 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Cheburashka

“The intrinsically disordered will use the power of government to suppress everywhere and in every way those who continue to tell the truth, to call them intrinsically disordered.”

Yup. Satan never sleeps.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 7:17:46 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: onedoug

“Santayana was right.”

They don’t even teach history any more, much less learn from it.

My first grader came home with a handout on “famous presidents.” Every one of them was a demonrat.


33 posted on 04/06/2012 7:20:48 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Morgana

Murray made the comments in a debate on Bill 13, known as the Accepting Schools Act, which seeks to impose tougher consequences, including expulsion, for “bullying and hate-motivated actions,“ but has been largely framed around the issue of homosexuality.


Back in the 90s, when I was a new Christian, my wife and I watched an “End of Times” movie loaned to us by a deacon. The movie showed times after the Rapture and had an interview with survivors. They spoke about the “haters” (aka, post Rapture converts to Christianity) who were stopping them from ushering in their glorious new age and golden era.

When I read this crap I wonder if I missed the rapture.


34 posted on 04/06/2012 7:47:42 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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If there were a part of Canada with the sort of climate Southern California has Hollywood the movie industry would have already moved there.

Probably the closest is Vancouver, it does get a bit chilly in the winter though, but not oppresively so, it is more like San Francisco maybe. Well, at least we know where they will flock to. B-) B-P
35 posted on 04/07/2012 9:33:18 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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36 posted on 04/17/2012 2:48:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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