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Gvmt minister rebukes bishops on Catholic sexual teaching: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore!’
Life Site News ^ | 4/42012 | Patrick B. Craine

Posted on 04/04/2012 8:52:24 PM PDT by Morgana

TORONTO, Ontario, April 4, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Catholic schools will no longer be allowed to teach the Catechism’s doctrine that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered,” says a cabinet minister in Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty’s government.

As politicians debated a bill that would force Catholic schools to launch gay clubs on March 29th, Member of Provincial Parliament Glen Murray (Toronto Centre) lashed out against Ontario’s bishops over Catholic teaching on homosexuality.

“I have to say to the bishops: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore,’” said Murray, an open homosexual who serves as McGuinty’s Minister of Training, Colleges and Universities, according to the Hansard transcript.

“I’m not allowed to say to the Catholics—nor should I—or to other Christians or Muslims or Jews, that because of your faith you’re intrinsically disordered,” he continued.

“I would never say to you that anything that goes on in your family with the person you love—can you imagine me describing a husband-and-wife relationship as inherently depraved?” he added.

Suresh Dominic of Campaign Life Catholics said Murray’s comments “amount to a declaration of war against the Catholic Church and all people who support traditional moral values.”

“We’ve been saying all along that McGuinty wants to dictate what the Church can teach in its schools and here it is straight from the government’s mouth,” Dominic added.

Murray made the comments in a debate on Bill 13, known as the Accepting Schools Act, which seeks to impose tougher consequences, including expulsion, for “bullying and hate-motivated actions,“ but has been largely framed around the issue of homosexuality.

The bill requires all schools, including the publicly-funded Catholic schools, to start clubs for homosexual students, which can be called “gay-straight alliance or another name.”

Over 2,000 parents and concerned citizens rallied outside Queen’s Park last Thursday calling for the bill’s defeat.

Pro-family advocates charge that gay-straight alliances encourage the normalization and affirmation of the homosexual lifestyle, and promote homosexual activism by tying youth into a cross-continent network of activists.

And Ontario’s Catholic bishops have opposed the controversial clubs, saying they encourage early self-identification as homosexual, and have instead begun setting up a network of clubs under the name “Respecting Differences”.

The anti-bullying bill follows a year-long campaign to force gay-straight alliances on the Catholic schools, but activists have nevertheless been dissatisfied, charging that the bill stops short of forcing the GSA name.

As a result, Ontario’s New Democratic Party has promised an amendment that would require schools to use the name “gay-straight alliance.”

Despite Murray’s statement that the bishops are “not allowed” to teach Catholic teaching on homosexuality, in the same speech at the legislature he said: “There’s no one here that’s suggesting that we shouldn’t teach a Catholic perspective in our schools.”

“It is about celebrating diversity. It isn’t about taking Catholic teaching out of Catholic schools,” he continued. “It’s about putting life-affirming, positive images and stories around gay and lesbian children, Muslim children, kids and women of all shapes.”

Murray’s comments are the most clear public statement from the government thus far that it intends to forbid Catholic teaching on homosexuality in the Catholic schools. The right of Ontario’s Catholic schools to receive public funding while imparting the Catholic faith is guaranteed under Canada’s Constitution.

In January 2010, a Ministry of Education spokeswoman had refused to answer direct questions from LifeSiteNews as to whether the government’s “equity and inclusive education strategy” would be used to forbid the controversial Catholic teaching.

In April 2011, another Ministry spokesperson said the mandatory homosexual clubs could not help students to “reform their sexuality.”

In the fall, former Minister of Education Kathleen Wynne said the education system is the government’s “single most important” avenue to tackle “homophobia.” She said she was “very disappointed” by the refusal of Catholic school boards’ to allow gay-straight alliances but that she expects the boards “will all come around.”

Current Minister of Education Laurel Broten has labeled opponents Bill 13’s pro-family opponents as “homophobic.”

In December, Murray said that by 2013 all prospective teachers in the province, both for the Catholic and public school boards, will be required to undergo focused training in “sexual orientation” and “gender diversity.”

Premier Dalton McGuinty, who identifies himself as a Catholic, has said that he aims to change the province’s “attitudes” on homosexuality, noting it’s a process that “should begin in the home.”

LifeSiteNews.com did not hear back from Glen Murray by press time.

Contact Information:

Dalton McGuinty, Premier Legislative Building Queen’s Park Toronto ON M7A 1A1 Fax: (416) 325-3745 E-mail: Use this form.

Tim Hudak, Opposition Leader The Ontario PC Party 19 Duncan Street Suite 401 Toronto, ON M5H 3H1 Phone: 416-861-0020 Toll-free: 1-800-903-6453 Fax: 416-861-9593 Email: tim.hudakco@pc.ola.org


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I'd like to see him tell it to God.
1 posted on 04/04/2012 8:52:35 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The entire “tolerance” meme is a carefully crafted lie. Sodomites are determined to use the government to force approval and special status for their variously spiritually disordered conditions.


2 posted on 04/04/2012 8:55:51 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Morgana

Daddy, what’s a “neg hunter?”


3 posted on 04/04/2012 8:57:06 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Morgana
“I have to say to the bishops: ‘You’re not allowed to do that anymore,’” said Murray...

I'd have to say, "Over your dead body"...

4 posted on 04/04/2012 8:58:33 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Morgana

Perhaps the Catholic schools in Canada will have to stop taking Canadian government money so that they can teach Catholic doctrine in its entirety, without the interference of pro-homosex government ministers.


5 posted on 04/04/2012 9:02:54 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: struggle

Indeed, what is a “neg hunter?”


6 posted on 04/04/2012 9:05:51 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: struggle

Indeed, What is a “neg hunter?”


7 posted on 04/04/2012 9:07:57 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: ottbmare
Perhaps the Catholic schools in Canada will have to stop taking Canadian government money so that they can teach Catholic doctrine in its entirety, without the interference of pro-homosex government ministers.

You hit the nail on the head.
Amoral people (like Member of Provincial Parliament Glen Murray) will continue to preach their own brand of morality and the heck with Jesus' 2000 year old Catholic Church so the Catholic Church in Canada better get off the public nipple and charge tuition. People usually appreciate things they pay for anyway.

8 posted on 04/04/2012 9:28:20 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Morgana

What do they expect when they gladly accept government money? There’s always the “hook”. Private schools should remain private because, only then, can they determine what they will and will not teach. Anytime you allow the government to get their foot in the door, the control begins.


9 posted on 04/04/2012 9:32:35 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ottbmare
Perhaps the Catholic schools in Canada will have to stop taking Canadian government money so that they can teach Catholic doctrine in its entirety, without the interference of pro-homosex government ministers.

Ontario Catholics are better off keeping the current arrangement, while fighting the occasional skirmish. From Wikipedia concerning "Separate Schools":

In Canada, the term separate school refers to a particular type of school that has constitutional status in three provinces (Ontario, Alberta and Saskatchewan) ... . In these Canadian jurisdictions, a separate school is one operated by a civil authority, a separate school board, with a mandate enshrined in the Canadian Constitution (for the three provinces) ... . In these ... jurisdictions a civil electorate, composed of the members of the minority faith, elects separate school trustees according to the province's ... local authorities election legislation. These trustees are legally accountable to their electorate and to the provincial ... government. No church has a constitutional, legal, or proprietary interest in a separate school. Consequently, a separate school is not a parochial or private school, or a charter school.

The constitutionally provided mandate of a separate school jurisdiction and of a separate school is to provide education in a school setting that the separate school board considers reflective of Roman Catholic (or, rarely, Protestant) theology, doctrine, and practices. This mandate can manifest itself in the Program of Studies and the curriculum, exercises and practices, and staffing. The limits of this mandate are determined by the application of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and judicial decisions.

The different experience in Ontario as compared to Alberta and Saskatchewan is principally the result of the same constitutional provisions having effect on settlement at different stages in Canadian history.

The Constitution of Canada does not establish separate school education as a natural or unconditional right available to all. Only Protestants or Roman Catholics, whichever is the minority faith population compared to the other in a community, can consider the establishment of separate school education. The separate school establishment right is not available to citizens of any other faith (such as Jews, or Mormons, or Hindus, or Muslims). In addition, the minority faith must establish that they wish to leave the public school system and create a separate school system.

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The Constitution Act, 1867, provides that education is a matter of exclusive provincial jurisdiction, subject to the requirement that provincial laws relating to education must respect the rights to denominational and separate schools held by religious minorities prior to Confederation. The relevant provision for Ontario is s. 93(1) of the Constitution Act, 1867 as originally enacted.[1] For Alberta and Saskatchewan, the relevant provision is s. 93(1), as amended by the Alberta Act[2] and the Saskatchewan Act,[3] respectively.

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School boards funded by the Province (of Ontario) consist of 29 English Catholic and 8 French Catholic boards, as well as 35 non-denominational public school boards (31 English public, 4 French public). There is ... one Protestant separate school jurisdiction in Ontario, the Burkevale Protestant Separate School, operated by the Penetanguishene Protestant Separate School Board. In Ontario, this determination was largely made throughout the province by the time of Confederation.

The public school system in the province was historically Protestant but was gradually transformed into a secular public system. Prayer in public schools was discontinued in the early 1980s.

Since the 19th century, funding for the Roman Catholic separate school system was provided up to Grade 10 under the British North America (BNA) Act. In 1984 the government of Premier William Davis extended full funding to include the last three (Grades 11–13 (OAC)) years of Roman Catholic secondary schools after having rejected that proposal fifteen years earlier. The first funded academic year occurred in 1985–86, as grade 11, and one grade was added in each of the next two years.

The right to have a publicly-funded separate denominational school system continues to be guaranteed by Section 93 of the 1982 Constitution Act to Roman Catholics in Ontario.[7]

A province-wide newspaper survey conducted between 1997 and 1999 in 45 dailies indicated that 79% of 7551 respondents in Ontario favoured a single public school system, but no widely supported movement to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 has developed.

The issue later came up in the Ontario general election, 2007; however no changes to the law have been made as of May 2011.

10 posted on 04/04/2012 9:50:30 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Morgana

The conservative government in Ottawa voted today to destroy the long gun registry.

The people of Ontario need to ponder this since the perverts are attempting to force their sickness upon them.

I’m sure this attack on Catholics will go over well with the devout muslims too.


11 posted on 04/04/2012 10:37:29 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: achilles2000

Paranoia has gay activists in its grip. They don’t even know that all the catechism says is, bottom line, that the penis is designed to go into a vagina for the purpose of creating babies, that if they are aroused more by another male/female then this is not what nature intended.


12 posted on 04/04/2012 10:47:56 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Morgana

These homosexual activists are simply Fascists. They certainly do not believe in true human rights, i.e., freedom of speech, conscience and religion.


13 posted on 04/04/2012 11:05:59 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Morgana

These homosexual activists are simply Fascists. They certainly do not believe in true human rights, i.e., freedom of speech, conscience and religion.


14 posted on 04/04/2012 11:06:12 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Morgana

homosexual acts are a perversion no matter what this damb ass says.


15 posted on 04/04/2012 11:08:52 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Morgana
Russia is cracking down on faggot activism and planning to fine or even jail those guilty of spreading homosexual proprganda. Canada will take in just about anyone who claims to be a refugee from political repression. With stuff like this in the news I bet there will be a wave of Russian faggots asking Canada for political asylum.

Given the increasing influence of Mooze Lames in Europe and England along with anti-faggot laws in Russia and Eastern Europe, Canada may well become the faggot haven of the whole world before much longer. If there were a part of Canada with the sort of climate Southern California has Hollywood the movie industry would have already moved there.

16 posted on 04/05/2012 12:38:13 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin

Lifetime Network is already there. Nearly every made for TV film made there has at least one lesbian actress portrayed in the storylines.


17 posted on 04/05/2012 12:47:07 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Morgana

Key Phrase here is PUBLICLY FUNDED CATHOLIC SCHOOLS


18 posted on 04/05/2012 3:52:24 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: ballplayer
Of course, the Canadian situation is different from ours, because the Catholic elementary & secondary schools receive government funding in Canada.

But let's not deceive ourselves: the militant homosexuals are trying and will continue to try to silence Catholics and other Christians here as well, whether government money is involved or not. That includes trying to prevent Catholic schools from teaching the truth about human sexuality.

19 posted on 04/05/2012 4:56:16 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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>>Indeed, What is a “neg hunter?”

A “neg” is an HIV negative gay male.
There a postings on various gay forums of men who get off on “turning” negs positive.


20 posted on 04/05/2012 5:40:45 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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