You have stated this several times now that those who do not believe Scripture the way you do are calling God a liar. No one here believes God is a liar and we all agree that the Bible IS God's divinely inspired word. What appears to be happening is that you have an interpretation of the doctrine of "healing" but not everyone reads those verses you post and "gets" the same interpretation as you. This does NOT mean we are calling God a liar, just disagreeing with how you and a few others interpret those verses.
For example, if someone claims that all those who are filled with the Holy Spirit WILL speak in "tongues" and that anyone who does not speak in tongues is not saved because they do not have the proof of the Holy Spirit in them. They will ALSO say that if you don't believe all saved people speak in tongues, then you are calling God a liar. But it is instead their false "interpretation" of Scripture that we reject and it is not the same thing as calling God a liar.
There are several places in your comment where you have taken "liberties" with what is written and built an argument based upon your own viewpoint. For example, you say Job "foolishly" stated, "Though he slay me, yet will I trust (hope) in Him." You say, "Why would you have hope in someone that would so casually take life? How could that type of a relationship ever blossom and bear any good fruit without any trust?", yet that was NOT the way Job saw his situation. He said that in the midst of defending God to his friends who were speaking wrongly about God. In Job 13, he says:
Lo, mine eye hath seen all this, mine ear hath heard and understood it. What ye know, the same do I know also: I am not inferior unto you. Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God. But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value. O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom. Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. Shall not his excellency make you afraid? and his dread fall upon you? Your remembrances are like unto ashes, your bodies to bodies of clay. Hold your peace, let me alone, that I may speak, and let come on me what will.
So here Job was telling off his so-called friends for their false beliefs about God. Job then continues:
Job knew that God was righteous and that he had been faithful to him. Though he did not understand why God had allowed such calamity, he STILL trusted in his goodness and mercy, so that was why he could say that even if he died, he would not stop trusting God. When you said that "Job brought down the hedge and allowed satan to run roughshod over him and that it was because of Job's "Fear, worry and unbelief", you falsely stated it was Job's fault that satan could have at him. But it was God who let down the hedge of protection around Job and it was God that permitted Satan to do anything he wanted to do to Job - with the exception of killing him. Job was "upright", "blameless" and "righteous" before God and his troubles were NOT because of his own fear, worry OR unbelief. Though he despaired the longer and more grievous his suffering, he did not "curse God and die" like his wife advised. He did not understand the "why" but he knew the "Who".
This, then, is another example of someone taking parts of Scripture, formulating a doctrine and then accusing people who disagreed with that doctrine of calling God a liar. It just doesn't cut it. No matter how many examples you give of Jesus healing people while he was here on earth you cannot conclude that he continues in that manner when he is no longer physically present here. Too many other Scripture passages would have to be eliminated for your idea to be true. By claiming that "If you continually talk unbelief, fear, doubt etc, you will harvest that in abundance.", you are essentially stating what all the other "name it/claim it" preachers do that God MUST do as you believe him to do. And no matter how many times you insist that is always the case, it is unavoidable that deeply faithful and believing Christians STILL are not always healed, and your only explanation for that is "they didn't receive it by faith". You said:
If God is willing to heal EVEN ONE person, He is willing to heal all, because he does not play favorites (Acts 10:34). God has been healing folks since Creation. That is His nature. That continues today to those that reach out in faith.
That is another example of a false interpretation of Scripture because there are other Scripture passages that dispute it. One case in point was the Apostle Paul who prayed three times for God to remove his "thorn in the flesh". Whatever this ailment was, God did not remove it. Did Paul lack enough faith? The right kind of faith? Did he fail to believe God? Did he fail to "claim it" from God?
There are other examples as well but the greatest one, the simplest and most easily missed one is: they ALL died. At some point in time, God stopped healing their bodies and their mortality (subject to death) took over. So why then do people not always receive physical healing? Your answer points to the person's unbelief, or their fear, or their worry, but God's answer for people like Joni and Paul is "trust me". We may not ever understand the purposes for our suffering this side of Heaven, but we KNOW whom we have believed and he is ever faithful. He is able to do all things and so we are able to bear all things according to the grace God gives us. Saying, "though he kills me, I will still trust in Him", is NOT foolish talk, it is a heart that truly trusts in God's plan and surrenders to whatever his will is - even if it may mean death. It is believing that not one thing can happen that God did not permit for HIS plan, HIS purpose, HIS will.
What we see as death to us is not death to God.
This mentality of avoiding death at all costs and it not being God's will for us is hokum. If we never died, we'd never be able to stand in His presence.
So, no, God cannot be charged with murder, but that's another topic. Death to God is eternal separation from Him. Death to us is dying in the physical body. When we die in the physical body, as believers, we are present with the Lord.
If you think Paul's thorn is any type of illness, you need to read it again. Paul tells you in the same verse EXACTLY what it was, a messenger of satan. Paul was attacked by demonic persecution that dogged his ministry. God's grace was more than enough to remove it at the appropriate time.
To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 2 Corinthians 12:7 NIV (emphasis added)
Satan was determined, as he still is, to stop the spread of the surpassingly great revelations of the New Birth. That we are redeemed from the curse, spiritually reborn, the Body of Christ, children of God and more than conquerors. Satan doesn't mind if a few people get saved and just attend church on Sunday - that's not much of a threat to him. But he can't have thousands of "imitators of Christ" attacking his work all over the world. Imagine how large the Church would grow and quickly the Gospel would spread if ALL Christians were operating under a Christ-like anointing with all the spiritual gifts working - healing the sick, casting out devils, feeding the hungry miraculously, preaching the Good News to the poor. Satan's kingdom would melt like an ice cube on a Texas sidewalk in Summer.
I cited key verses in Job that show exactly what transpired. Note that God placed a hedge around Job. That was Satan's complaint to God. Satan attempted to provoke God to remove the hedge, but God did NOT remove it. He told satan behold, or look, he is in your hands because something else had removed the hedge. But he refrained the destroyer from touching Job's life.
At the end we are told Job was captive. By whom, if God "turned the captivity of Job" and "restored twice what he had before." Job's own fear was the culprit - "what I GREATLY feared came upon me." He was not only afraid, he was HIGHLY developed in it. Fear is the polar opposite of faith. I posted Ecclesiastes 10:8 as another clue that provides insight - I love how the Bible just keeps helping you along.
He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it; and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him. Ecclesiastes 10:8 KJV -- Who broke the hedge and who is the serpent? This is a spiritual truth that provides much understanding throughout the Bible.
I encourage you to read Job, especially 1, 2, 6 and 42 carefully as if you have never read it before, without any bias. Maybe in two or three translations if that helps for a fresh perspective. That is what I did when the light finally went off removing religious tradition that had blinded and bound me for so very long. It also helped that I started seeing God as a GOOD GOD - my Heavenly Father that is Love and does not change.
The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Psalm 119:130 KJV
If I have seemed abrasive on any of these threads, please forgive me. I have been writing quickly and passionately about a subject that is near to my heart. My free time is quite limited and there is so much I want to share. I love God's Word and treasure it more and more every day. When I have time, I just start writing and things keep coming to my spirit to include. I truly hope someone is edified by these discussions
Gods wants ALL to be saved - that is His plan/purpose/will - He died for ALL.
"This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants ALL men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth".
"The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting ANYONE TO PERISH, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
"For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it". "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW FIND IT."
Now do you think 'man' is responsible for not attaining what God wants/wills?