Posted on 03/14/2012 12:23:34 PM PDT by Salvation
Catholic Ping!
He is right, but before we tackle chastity, we will need to restore belief in Christ and the Christian religion in the west. Without that foundation, you have no basis for demands that are unpopular.
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He is right, but before we tackle chastity, we will need to restore belief in Christ and the Christian religion in the west. Without that foundation, you have no basis for demands that are unpopular.
I would gently disagree. My read on what His Holiness is saying is “Lets get our own house in order.”
Get back to a Church that practices what it preaches, with members that don’t just cherry pick but who live their faith.
The popularity or not of a demand is not the point. It isn’t even a demand - just a call to get back to considering sex as a sacred act and trust, not a light snack available from the nearest vending machine.
I grew up in the 60s and 70s - sex was literally downgraded to the level of grabbing an apple from the fridge. There are some encouraging signs that this idea is being rejected (FReepmail me if you want to know) but HH is right.
We need to push it more. Make chastity fashionable, if you like.
Tell it, Holy Father!
I just don’t think a secular society will go along with chastity. So, in order to restore some semblance of morality, we need to restore the basis for morality, which was religion. There are non-religious arguments for our moral values, but it’s an uphill value to win that argument without some religious beliefs underlying them. That’s what I’m saying, not that we can’t overcome a popular social behavior.
I get very irked when people claim abstinece is not realistic. Both my husband and I ‘waited’ until we were married and have been faithful to each other (not that there weren’t offers). We were 23 when we got married and didn’t live together. He didn’t even move his clothes into my place until after we got back from our honeymoon.
One thing do credit my trip into and out of Mormonism, is it did keep me from sexual sin, even if it was mainly peer pressure. And I became a Christian right after I left the LDS and then had a Christian perspective on sex and marriage and family.
> Make chastity fashionable,
I don’t know... sex is very, very popular.
Only if one can “Get ER done”
The practical benefits of chastity were obvious to many of the pagans. A father doesn’t want his daughters producing children without an economic foundation. A man wants to know his children are his own.
Dr. Elizabeth Vandiver, presenter on “The Great Courses” set on The Odyssey, observed that Penelope had to be chaste through all the years of Odysseus’s absence, or the paternity of Telemachus would have been called into question, because her character would be proven untrustworthy.
A deacon gave a talk at our Serra club. He said that the first thing he noticed about his wife was her face. And likewise the wife noticed his face.
Now compare that with the sick modern society......cute butt, big boobs, etc.
Sexuality is SOMEONE not something — and it is for marriage alone.
Vice-Grips. That’s the issue. Ever notice how any brand of locking pliers are usually called Vice-Grips?
I think that this is what has happened with modern society’s understanding of marriage. Today, the generic definition of marriage is two people, who have sexual relations, and live under one roof. Somewhere along the line, the religious significance, religious importance, and religious meaning of marriage have been stripped away. Probably about the time civil government started mandating a license to get married. For those who scream of separation of church and state, why not complain about the state getting involved in what was until then, a strictly religious event?
So rather than just a generic married or marriage, maybe a trademarked Married (TM) and Marriage (TM), to denote the difference the generic and the real thing.
I see what you mean. Yet when people who claim to belong to the Church openly espouse immorality, the struggle gets harder.
Our brethren in the Evangelical churches have a lesser problem, as they have been solid and consistant (mainly) about the vital importance of chastity, to my admiration and respect.
His Holiness has pointed the way. Correctly in my opinion. While I totally agree with you that we need to get God back into society, we also need to give a clear moral compass. It has got blurred recently. To borrow a phrase: “Hey, if it was easy, anyone could do it.”
That’s “Vise-grips.” Different language root from vice-sin.
The first thing my husband noticed about me was I was the only other one there that could read (we were 3 and in preschool). Over the years, while we are certainly physically attracted to one another, the biggest attraction to each other was our minds.
Even after all these years of marriage, we recognize sex as a celebration of our love (not lust) and a gift from God.
Yes, but we are in the age of $9/month birth control. A girl can be a slut without producing children.
Doh! Thanks...spell check doesn’t correct usage.
In theory ... but it's amazing how often either teenage dingbats or middle-aged feminist ideologues are, whoops, omg, shocking, pregnant.
As I've said before ... you take your little couple ... Taylor and Taylor, for example ... and if she takes a pill every morning at 8 a.m., and he uses a condom every time they have sex, the chance of their conceiving a child is statistically zero. But they don't.
And it doesn't matter if they're high school students in Tahlequah or Harvard grads in fancy jobs in New York City, they still don't. She gets pregnant. And then we're back with Homer in 750 B.C., dealing with the same social fallout.
Hey now, watch it. If slutty girls didn’t get pregnant in Tahlequah, I wouldn’t be here.
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