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Pro-Rick Santorum pastor slams Mitt Romney’s religion
The State Column ^ | March 11, 2012

Posted on 03/12/2012 10:28:57 AM PDT by Colofornian

Reverend O’Neal Dozier, an African American Rick Santorum supporter from Florida, held a press conference Sunday calling upon Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney to renounce his Mormon religion.

Mr. Dozier’s request is regarding several racially motivated passages in the Book of Mormon, that have been called out by other African American leaders previously in the race.

One verse in the Book of Mormon discusses the “cursing the black African people,” and Mr. Dozier also notes that their are prejudiced passages against Jews and Native Americans as well.

“Romney’s nomination would cause the erroneous view that has long existed in the minds of black people, that the Republican Party is prejudice to become a reality. Also, if Romney gets the nomination, President Obama’s super pacs will educate the American people about his racist religion and he will probably lose to Obama,” said Mr. Dozier in a press release.

Earlier in the primary race, Mr. Santorum made a campaign appearance at Pompano Beach’s WorldWide Christian Center, where Mr. Dozier is the lead pastor.

During the week leading up to the Florida Republican primary election, Mr. Dozier told The Palm Beach Post that “the American people will not vote for a Mormon to be president of the United States.”

Mr. Romney’s religion has had little impact on the primary race thus far. In states with large populations of Mormon voters, he has received the largest percentage of votes from Mormons. Thus, one could conclude his religion has been an advantage.

However, other religious figures have also criticized Mr. Romney for the passages in the Book of Mormon.

In January, Dr. Obery Hendricks a professor of Biblical Interpretation at the New York Theological Seminary, wrote an op-ed article in The Huffington Post making similar accusations against Mr. Romney.

“What concerns me is this: the Book of Mormon, the book that Mitt Romney and all Mormons embrace as divinely revealed scripture that is more sacred, more true, and more inerrant than any other holy book on earth, declares that black people are cursed,” said Mr. Hendricks in an MSNBC interview.

Mr. Romney has been the lone candidate not accused of making racist remarks against African American candidates in the race thus far though.

In contrast, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Mr. Santorum himself were issued open letters by the NAACP calling for them to retract statements associating African Americans with government welfare programs.

Furthermore, Mr. Romney’s father, former Michigan Governor George Romney, was known as a vocal supporter of civil rights for African Americans.

Mr. Romney has not responded publicly to either Reverend Dozier or Mr. Hendricks’ comments about the racially charged Book of Mormon.

Going forward in the race, the Mormon factor will likely remain a resurfacing issue for Mr. Romney, especially if he wins the nomination and faces the nation’s first African American president.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mittromney; mormon; newt4romney; racism
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To: Utmost Certainty

So if you have no religion, then why again are you on the religion forum?
So if you have no religion, then why again do you care what other people who have beliefs have to say about the thing you don’t have?


81 posted on 03/12/2012 2:13:50 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Suz in AZ; Tennessee Nana; svcw; Elsie; All
[To TN] Enjoy your hate fest.

This is where you hypocrites expose yourselves.

ALL: Note how certain posters ome into a thread with their elitist, self-righteous sounding, "Thou Shalt Not Bash. Thou Shalt Not Bash."

And doesn't take very long before you realize...they forgot to let their own ears tune into what their tongue was saying!

(Either that or they just give themselves an exemption to bash whom & whereever they like)

82 posted on 03/12/2012 2:23:49 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Tennessee Nana; MissesBush
Why the sudden silence, MissesBush, over your opportunity to elaborate on all these verses produced by TN?

Here we, for once, give a Mormon woman a platform to preach. We give you all kinds of "texts" from the BoM to preach upon.

You can tell us how "non-racist" these all are in how they apply to the Native Americans only...and how cursings based upon skin color don't apply to Africans...only Americans...

Why, how "cosmopolitian" of you, MissesBush...

(Can you say racist...bigoted one???...!!!)

83 posted on 03/12/2012 2:28:20 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Colofornian; Tennessee Nana; MissesBush
Here we, for once, give a Mormon woman a platform to preach. We give you all kinds of "texts" from the BoM to preach upon.

My, and we haven't even gotten to how mormon "apostles" and "living prophets" applied these passages under the so called inspiration and guidance of 'god' all the way into the modern world.

If the bom doesn't teach such racism - why did they deny the priesthood to blacks?

84 posted on 03/12/2012 2:39:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Utmost Certainty

pragmatic and constructive; attacking Mormonism itself as a heresy, is not.
_____________________________________

And yet the LORD Jesus Christ attacked the Mormonism of His day...

are you going to tell God He was wasting His time ???


85 posted on 03/12/2012 3:00:08 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Colofornian; All

(on the subject of racism you all might be interested in this...

an exmormon got onto mormon.org to pose as a young student with questions about the cult, and turned the online chat to what mormons believe about race

illuminating...source: exmormonforums.com)

Welcome to Mormon.org chat.
A missionary will be with you shortly.

Agent [Patricia] is ready to assist you.

Patricia: Hello! This is Tricia and Kelsey and we are missionaries of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. How are you doing today?

Agent [Kelsey] has joined the chat.

Kelsey: hi there!

Me: Hi, nice to find this site.

Kelsey: what brings you to mormon.org?

Me: Am researching for a paper in school and Google showed this site.

Kelsey: have you heard of our church before?

Me: I have heard of it. Don’t know anything. Just came on this doing prep for the paper I have to write.

Kelsey: The gospel of Jesus Christ is the only way to eternal life. The first principles and ordinances of His gospel are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We must then endure to the end. By applying these principles throughout our lives we follow the example of the Savior, learn to live His commandments, and develop Christlike attributes. We can be forgiven of our sins, and we will be able to return to live in the presence of our Father in Heaven

Me: I am just looking at references for racial prejudice in religion. I found a whole lot about it under Mormon topics. Lots of discrimination against blacks at every level for a long time.

Me: Mormons believe God made the blacks some kind of lesser people.

Me: How can you believe that?

Patricia: We believe that everyone is equal.

Patricia: We are all God’s children.

Patricia: The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for everyone, it can affect everyone in a personal way.

Me: I found so much about racism in the mormon search it isn’t funny. Doctrine that they are not as good as white people.

Patricia: Blacks as well as Whites are equal in the Church and equal in the sight of God.

Patricia: Here

Me: “Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a sin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the Holy Priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to. The volition of the creature is free; this is a law of their existence, and the Lord cannot violate his own law; were he to do that, he would cease to be God. He has placed life and death before his children, and it is for them to choose. If they choose life, they receive the blessings of life; if they chose death, they must abide the penalty. This is a law which has always existed from all eternity, and will continue to exist throughout all the eternities to come.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 11, p. 272

Patricia: The most important thing is that now, Blacks are able to hold the priesthood in our Church.

Me: “We must not inter-marry with the Negro. Why? If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would oil be cursed as to the priesthood. Do I want my children cursed as to the priesthood? If there is one drop of Negro blood in my children, as I have read to you, they receive the curse. There isn’t any argument, therefore, as to inter-marriage with the Negro, is there?”
- Apostle Mark E. Peterson, “Race Problems – As They Effect the Church,” Address given at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at BYU, August 27, 1954;

Patricia: That is what matters most.

Me: Trying to be nice now does not change the past. I saw that this did not change until BYU faced boycotts against their basketball and football games. It was money that mattered.

Patricia: Colleen, God loves each and every one of His children and He has a plan for all of us.

Me: If mormons believed blacks were equal these racist teachings from the leaders would never have been said, would they?

Patricia: He knows everythings, he sees the big picture.

Patricia: We only see ourselves in terms of yesterday and today, but He sees us in terms of forever.

Me: “... a black skin is a mark of the curse of heaven placed upon some portions of mankind.”
- Juvenile Instructor, v. 3, p. 157

Patricia: That is why he knows exactly what is best for us in the eternal run.

Patricia: Colleen, why do you care so much about our Church?

Me: Why are you changing the topic of the discussion? Racism is part of the teachings and the mormon Apostles I have found said so for a long time. At least until real money became involved, it was mormon Doctrine that blacks were inferior or cursed.

Kelsey: you know what colleen, i don’t know why the blacks couldn’t receive the priesthood till the 1970’s. but what i do know is that this has NOTHING to do with money. everyone in our church is all voluntarlly

Kelsey: what religious background do you have?

Me: “Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. A Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race, seems to have little opportunity. But think of the mercy of God to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn’t the mercy of God marvelous? Think of the Negro, cursed as to the Priesthood.... This Negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa – if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, theLord is willing.... to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the Celestial Kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory.”
- Apostle Mark E. Peterson, “Race Problems – As They Effect the Church,” Address given at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at BYU, August 27, 1954;

Me: It is clear from my searching that racism was a policy from the leadership of the mormon church and that it only changed when money became involved. A paper trail of racism is pretty clear on what happened, what was said and written and why the changes were finally made.

Me: “It is not the authorities of the Church who have placed a restriction on him [the black man] regarding the holding of the Priesthood. It was not the Prophet Joseph Smith.... It was the Lord!”
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith

Patricia:
1.2 Ne. 26: 32-33
32 And again, the Lord God hath commanded that men should not murder; that they should not lie; that they should not steal; that they should not take the name of the Lord their God in vain; that they should not envy; that they should not have malice; that they should not contend one with another; that they should not commit whoredoms; and that they should do none of these things; for whoso doeth them shall perish.
33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

Me: That is not what my research shows the mormon church believes and practiced for so many years.

Patricia: Yes, the priesthood was withheld from blacks for a while, but they are able to hold the priesthood now and perform miracles in Christ’s name.

Me: The program of institutional racism in the mormon church was stated to be a commandment from God.

Me: August 17, 1949
The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord

Me: For awhile? And what about your top leaders teaching death for anyone who intermarries with them?

Kelsey: colleen, we aren’t here to debate. my best is black and she is a member of the church.

Patricia: Do you really want to learn more?

Kelsey: we know the truth of the gospel.

Me: Letting them have ‘priesthood’ now contradicts your leaders who said the negroes are cursed.

Patricia: We can just tell you are not willing to learn right now.

Patricia: You need to humble yourself and listen to what we are trying to tell you.

Me: Wow, you assume too much.

Me: Maybe YOU should humble yourself and learn to pay attention.

Patricia: The truth will never be revealed to you unless you listen to us.

Patricia: And really open your heart to the Spirit.

Me: You might actually learn something.

Patricia: This is either true or not.

Me: Truth revealed? I am reading mormon statements from Mormon books.

Patricia: We will all know the truth in the end.

Me: Aren’t they true?

Patricia:
1.2 Ne. 33: 10-12
10 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
11 And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye—for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness.
12 And I pray the Father in the name of Christ that many of us, if not all, may be saved in his kingdom at that great and last day.

Me: Are your prophets like Brigham Young and Joseph Fielding Smith liars?

Patricia: I am sorry that you don’t want to be serious right now. You are welcome to return later if you sincerely want to learn more.

Me: That is what you ar saying.

Agent [Kelsey] has left the chat.

The chat session has ended.

(do you notice a pattern? if you confront them with documented evidence YOU are the closed-minded bigot...familiar ring??)


86 posted on 03/12/2012 3:11:44 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (...after two decades in a mormon hell, i will not live in a country with a mormon president...)
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To: Colofornian

Yawn.


87 posted on 03/12/2012 3:11:47 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Colofornian

for later.


88 posted on 03/12/2012 3:46:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Colofornian

My pastor can beat up your pastor.


89 posted on 03/12/2012 3:48:44 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Suz in AZ



90 posted on 03/12/2012 4:02:35 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (...after two decades in a mormon hell, i will not live in a country with a mormon president...)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“I still maintain that going after the religion itself like this is potentially alienating to many voters.”

Did you know, UC, that 20+ % of voters consistently say they would not vote for a mormon?

That’s a fifth of the electorate the Republicans would give up, if RINOmney gets the nomination.

As to “going after the religion itself”...

As a Christian, “I will continue to cut the legs out of those who want to be considered equal to Christianity”,
when they pervert it. Happened before RINOmney. Will be happening long after he has departed to become a newly
minted mormonic god.


91 posted on 03/12/2012 4:28:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: AnTiw1

LOL. You guys are totally unhinged HAHA!

I say stick to the issues and you all digress to this childishness. Thank you for making my point. Hey, these candidates have great points. Makes me wonder why you aren’t touting that and instead going with the losing issues.

It’s about getting votes, right? Not convincing me here.

Hint: Everyone likes an underdog or the oppressed. Looks like you’re creating that here. Or maybe that was your intention... hmmmmm.... Backfire. Oops.


92 posted on 03/12/2012 4:35:10 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: Suz in AZ
"I say stick to the issues and you all digress to this childishness."

actually, we've been discussing Romney, the mormons, mormon doctrine, racism, how mormons act politically...all subjects to which you contributed nothing but epithets and accusations

when we stuck to the issues you offered no counterpoint and no debate, because you have no argument...

except for "yawn", i suppose...that was your highest flight of intellectual repartee...

do you have anything to discuss, or are you here to just fart in the room and run away again?

93 posted on 03/12/2012 4:50:40 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (...after two decades in a mormon hell, i will not live in a country with a mormon president...)
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To: Suz in AZ

yawn
If you are not interested in learning about mormonism on FR (sources always given) and being informed before you dismiss it as an issue at least watch Battlestar Galactica for an over view.


94 posted on 03/12/2012 5:02:31 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Suz in AZ

always happy to provide you more documentation while you build your intestinal gas pressure to a conversation level...

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Utah (which is approximately two-thirds LDS) should have the lowest rates of crime, divorce, child abuse, and pornography (Feb. 9, 2009 see bottom of page). Instead they have the highest statistical rates in the nation!

UTAH’S 1998-2008 REVIEW (see below): Still leading the nation in abuse, rape, murder!

CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT
In 2005, Utah had 32,203 total referrals for child abuse and neglect. Of those, 21,052 reports were referred for investigation. 7
In 2005, 8,173 children were substantiated or indicated as abused or neglected in Utah, a rate of 17.7 per 1,000 children, and representing a 3.4% decrease from 2004. Of these children, 20.7% were neglected, 14.7% were physically abused, and 19.3% were sexually abused. 8
In 2005, 10 children died as a result of abuse or neglect in Utah. 9
In 2005, 2,285 children in Utah lived apart from their families in out-of-home care, compared with 2,108 children in 2004. In 2005, 22.5% of the children living apart from their families were age 5 or younger, and 27.4% were 16 or older. 10
Of the children in out-of-home care in 2005, 63.5% were white, 4.7% black, 22.5% Hispanic, 5.7% American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 3.5% children of other races and ethnicities. 11
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Divorces per 1,000 Population Utah-4.60 MA-2.40 NY -3.20 NJ-3.0

Murder per 100,000 Pop. Utah-3.90 NH-1.70 IO-1.70 ND-0.90

Rape per 100,000 Pop. Utah-42.70 NY -23.70 CA-33.40 VA-27.20

*Source US Census Bureau

Antidepressant drugs are prescribed in Utah more often than in any other state, at a rate nearly twice the national average. Other states with high antidepressant use were Maine and Oregon. Utah’s rate of antidepressant use was twice the rate of California and nearly three times the rates in New York and New Jersey, the study showed. Few here question the veracity of the study, which was a tabulation of prescription orders, said Dr. Curtis Canning, president of the Utah Psychiatric Assn. “In the LDS church, there is a social expectation and women suppression with the males dominating the females who are expected to put on a mask, say ‘Yes’ to everything that comes at her and hide the misery and pain. It’s called the ‘Mother of Zion’ syndrome. The study did not break down drug use by sex. But according to statistics from the National Institute of Mental Health, about twice as many women as men suffer from depressive disorders.

Discussion of the issue inevitably falls along Utah’s traditional fault lines. Some suggest that Utah’s unique Mormon culture—70% of the state’s population belongs to the church—requires perfection and the public presentation of a happy face, whatever may be happening privately. The argument goes that women in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are beset by particular pressures and are not encouraged to acknowledge their struggles or suppression. “Look around, you can easily find people who take them. I think it’s the cultural environment,” said Helen Wright, whose three grown children also take antidepressants. “Most men here would just as soon their wives take pills than bother to delve into the problems, and maybe find out they might have something to do with the problems.” Utah also leads the nation in the use of narcotic painkillers such as codeine and morphine-based drugs, the study found. “It’s like HappyValley here,” Cindy Mann said, describing the SaltLakeValley. “It’s a scary place sometimes. People don’t talk about their problems. Everything is always rosy. That’s how we got ourselves into this mess—we’re good at ignoring things.”

Salt Lake Tribune, Nov 23, 1998—A9

FBI Report: Crime Falls Nationally, But Climbs Again in Utah

As the nation celebrates a six-year decrease in serious crime, Utah’s crime rate went up—again.

An FBI report released Sunday showed that serious violent and property crimes went down 3 percent nationally. But crime in Utah went up 3.8 percent in 1997, continuing a four-year-trend.

Not only is the state’s crime rate climbing, but more Utahns on average are victims of crime.

Nationally, an average of 4,923 out of 100,000 are affected by crime. In Utah, the number is 5,661 people— 13 percent higher than the national rate.

Utah was one of 15 states whose crime rates increased in 1997.

Florida had the highest rate at 7,272 crimes per 100,000 people. West Virginia was lowest with 2,469 crimes per 100,000 people. . .

In Salt lake City, 11,969 people out of 100,000 were victims of crime in 1997. . .

Report details scope of home violence
Utah’s rate of females murdered by males tops the national average

Salt lake Tribune, Feb 17, 2004
“...The 2004 Utah Domestic Violence Annual Report, created by the state Domestic Violence Cabinet Council...In 2001, the report notes, Utah’s rate of females murdered by males in one-on-one incidents was 23% higher than the corresponding national rate.”

Utah: Salt Lake City

Nearly half of the 131 women killed between 1994 and 1999 in Utah were slain by husbands or boyfriends, according to a report released by state health department officials. They urged judges, prosecutors and clergy to pay more attention to the signs of domestic violence and to intervene before it escalates. USA Today

The New York Times clearly illustrates a recurring problem within the Mormon Church–child abuse. Child abuse is consistently higher in Utah than in the nation as a whole. It is a blight on Mormonism. Utah social workers have been quoted as being “blackly pessimistic” about the problem in their state.

All of this flies in the face of the projected image of Mormonism as a society which places the family at the highest level of its concern.

Of course Mormon authorities love children and want what’s best for them. The failure of Mormonism stems from its hidebound structure. This is the religion of polygamy, patriarchy, and Blood Atonement. Such a culture simply doesn’t have the ability to wave a wand of psychobabble over the Church and make everything right. Mormon social problems are systemic.

One of the worst areas of offense in Mormonism is uncovered in the following article. This story is repeated over and over again as the good old boys have their way with women and children in the ashes of Brigham Young’s Mormonism


Sex Abuse Lawsuit Is Settled By Mormons for $3 Million

By Gustav Niebuhr
New York Times Sep. 5, 2001, A-14

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints disclosed yesterday that it would pay $3 million to settle a suit by an Oregon man who said he was sexually abused as a child by a church member. The suit said Mormon officials had known well in advance of that abuse that the accused man had also faced child molesting allegations before.

The case is unusual not only because the church disclosed the amount of the settlement, in advance of news conferences by the plaintiffs’ lawyers today, but also because it centers on alleged abuse by a man who held no ministerial or leadership role. That man died in 1995.

In an interview, Von G. Keetch, a Salt Lake City lawyer representing the church, said it strongly believed that the case ‘’lacked merit’’ and had settled only out of concern that the litigation, already a decade old, could continue for years more, at high cost.

Mr. Keetch said the decision was made after a number of rulings against the church by a county judge presiding over the case in Portland. Among the rulings were that the church could be held liable for the conduct of one member against another, and that the plaintiff could argue that the abuser was a clergyman because he held the title of high priest, which the church describes as a common lay designation.

The settlement follows by two weeks the disclosure of another settlement by a religious institution in a sexual abuse case. In that instance, two Roman Catholic dioceses in Southern California said they had paid $5.2 million to a man who maintained that as a high school student a decade ago, he was molested by a priest.

The Oregon suit was filed in December 1998 by a Portland man, Jeremiah Scott, who eventually sought $1.5 billion in damages from the church. He accused its authorities of withholding knowledge from his family that another member, Franklyn Curtis, had previously been accused of molesting children.

His lawyer, David Slader, said Mr. Scott was abused in 1991, the year he turned 11, after his mother invited Mr. Curtis to live with the family. Mr. Curtis, who was 88 and had been living in a group home, was a member of the same congregation as the Scotts.

Before bringing Mr. Curtis into her home, Mr. Slader said, Mrs. Scott sought advice from a local Mormon bishop, who advised the family against it because it would be too much work, but who did not inform them of the earlier accusations.

Mr. Slader noted that Mr. Curtis had been previously excommunicated after being accused of molesting children. But when he came to live with the Scotts, his membership had been restored and he held the title of high priest. He had not been criminally charged with abuse at that point, but later pleaded guilty to molesting Mr. Scott, Mr. Slader said.

‘’It’s the institution that knew,’’ Mr. Slader said, referring to church authorities. ‘’A church,’’ he added, ‘’owes a very, very special and high duty to the children of its parishioners, the children whose souls it has taken responsibility for.’’

Mr. Keetch, the lawyer for the church, quoted the bishop who advised the Scotts as saying in a deposition that he had known of no abuse accusations against Mr. Curtis. Mr. Keetch said Mr. Curtis had been excommunicated in the 1980’s in Pennsylvania, where he lived before moving back to Oregon. The decision to excommunicate, Mr. Keetch said, followed another Oregon bishop’s notifying church authorities in Pennsylvania that Mr. Curtis had been accused of having ‘’inappropriately touched a child’’ in an Oregon congregation different from the one where he and the Scotts were later members together. To have excommunicated Mr. Curtis over his conduct would indicate it WAS a serious offense and that it was known to the church who keep meticulous records on every member.

Mr. Curtis was readmitted to membership ‘’after a fairly lengthy period of repentance,’’ Mr. Keetch said, but never had any supervisory position over Mr. Scott and in fact had no leadership position at all. According to the church, the title of high priest is bestowed on Mormon men in good standing over the age of 40.

Mr. Keetch said he believed there was ‘’no church that does more either to protect children or to provide assistance to children’’ who have been abused.— This is a TOTAL LIE! The LDS leadership as the attitude that “right or wrong we have the final say” as quoted by Oscar McKonkie Jr. attorney for Gordon Hinckley and that women and children have no rights –as indicative by the belief and current practice of polygamy and polygamous sealings in the LDS temples of men to multiple wives in cases of divorce or death.

Utah Rape Statistics—2003

Rape Crime in Utah Well Above National Average

A federal report shows that one in five adult women in Utah—or a total of 157,000 women in the state—has been forcibly raped at least once in her lifetime. The report comes from the South Carolina-based National Violence Against Women Prevention Research Center, giving Utah the top spot in the continental United States for its estimated percentage of rape victims. “Our findings clearly demonstrate the fact that Utah has a substantial rape problem,” said the report from the research group, which was established and is partly funded by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“I was shocked to see this,” said Jamee Roberts, executive director of the Salt Lake City-based RapeRecoveryCenter. “I knew we were bad; I had no idea we were this bad. We should be hanging our heads in shame.” She added that the numbers are reliable and can be trusted. Only Alaska (20.9% of its women raped versus 20.6% in Utah compared to 13.4% of all women nationally) has a higher rate in the United States. The estimates are said to be conservative because they do not include the cases of women who have experienced attempted rape; rapes where the women were unconscious or impaired by drugs or alcohol; or statutory rape where there was no force. (Salt LakeTribune, 7/12/03)

Utah has highest rate of “Food Insecurity”
Child poverty rate up
Utah leads nation in bankruptcy

Excerpted from:
Salt LakeTribune
11-24-03 B1

“Job growth reported in media, but where is it? Utahns wonder”

According to the Utah Department of Agriculture, Utah has the highest rate of “food insecurity”–a measure that reports the number of people who worry where there next meal is coming from–in the nation.

The US Census Bureau reports that the overall poverty rate in Utah jumped 1.1 percent between 2001 and 2002. Utah was one of eight states the Census Bureau found had a “significant change” in its poverty rate.

Movement of the state’s child poverty rate was even more staggering. In 2002, Utah’s child poverty rate jumped 4.3 percent, according to the Census Bureau. Only Massachusetts had a more dramatic increase in the number of children living in poverty…

Utah’s foreclosure rate is almost double that of the national average. The only alternative [for some people] to save their home is] filing for bankruptcy–another inauspicious category in which Utah leads the nation.

Utah is No 1 in Mortgage Fraud!

Utah has dismal rate of mortgage fraud. SLC is ranked No. 1 in early payment defaults

A company that monitors mortgage fraud activity nationwide has ranked the Salt Lake City metropolitan area as the worst in the country for potentially fraudulent home loans in default.

More than a third of the software programs installed in Utah homes and businesses are illegal copies, providing the state with the highest piracy rate in the country, a new study shows.

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 USA Today

Utah:Salt Lake City – Sate officials said that domestic violence cases are climbing in Utah, unlike those in the nation overall. A U.S. Justice Department report showed that domestic violence against women in the USA fell by 41% between 1993 and 1999. Nearly 5,000 women and children stayed at Utah shelters last year, a 32% hike from 1999, according the Division of Child and Family Services.

UTAH’S CHILDREN 2008
Utah’s Children At a Glance

State Population 1 2,550,063
Population, Children Under 18 2 742,556
State Poverty Rate 3 9.3%
Poverty Rate, Children Under 18 4 12.6%
Poverty Rate, Children Ages 5-17 5 11.5%
Poverty Rate, Children Under 5 6 13.8%
All statistics are for 2006.

CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT
In 2005, Utah had 32,203 total referrals for child abuse and neglect. Of those, 21,052 reports were referred for investigation. 7
In 2005, 8,173 children were substantiated or indicated as abused or neglected in Utah, a rate of 17.7 per 1,000 children, and representing a 3.4% decrease from 2004. Of these children, 20.7% were neglected, 14.7% were physically abused, and 19.3% were sexually abused. 8
In 2005, 10 children died as a result of abuse or neglect in Utah. 9
In 2005, 2,285 children in Utah lived apart from their families in out-of-home care, compared with 2,108 children in 2004. In 2005, 22.5% of the children living apart from their families were age 5 or younger, and 27.4% were 16 or older. 10
Of the children in out-of-home care in 2005, 63.5% were white, 4.7% black, 22.5% Hispanic, 5.7% American Indian/Alaskan Native, and 3.5% children of other races and ethnicities. 11
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95 posted on 03/12/2012 5:11:00 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (...after two decades in a mormon hell, i will not live in a country with a mormon president...)
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To: MissesBush

“The peoples with the dark skinned are the Lamanites, a people of Hebrewic origin, not African origin.”

Actually the Lamanites are more closely related to Pixies and the Pied Piper as objects of conjuration intended to divert and mislead the credulous and simple minded. The Hebrewics invented decaffinated coffee, and were Accursed by a resounding 87.35% majority of the gods godlets and god seeds to suffer ever after with insipid conversation and joyless gatherings for their sin.


96 posted on 03/12/2012 6:16:29 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: AnTiw1

This sounds as robotic as an ELIZA dialog!

http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3


97 posted on 03/12/2012 6:31:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GSWarrior
My pastor can beat up your pastor.

My guardian angel can beat up yours/others' demons.

There...More Biblical...

98 posted on 03/12/2012 6:36:36 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Suz in AZ; Colofornian
well i'm falling asleep waiting for the poot of brilliance to issue from AZ...

while finding backup for that 95% figure you requested

i also found info for three or four more articles for FR concerning Romney's candidacy

i used the two most interesting titles for discussion...Lockstep Voters Helped Clinch Arizona Victory for Romney and Fair to Compare Mormons for Romney to Blacks for Obama?...ya'll come...

" Backfire. Oops. " yeah...oops...lol

99 posted on 03/12/2012 7:17:39 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (...after two decades in a mormon hell, i will not live in a country with a mormon president...)
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To: AnTiw1; Suz in AZ
well i'm falling asleep waiting for the poot of brilliance to issue from AZ...while finding backup for that 95% figure you requested

Well, here's the data I've posted for a while on the 95% Mormon support of Romney...[keep in mind what kind of frenzy the MSM would have if 95% of Catholics supported either Santorum or Gingrich...the Pope would be accused of orchestrating it all!!! Theocratic and Theocracy would be even more all the rage in MSM outlets!]

Per this 2008 exit poll data:

* 2008 (Utah) "While the former Massachusetts governor’s faith has been a flashpoint in his campaign, it was perhaps one of his strongest assets in Utah, where more than 60% of the state’s residents share his faith. Exit poll data shows Romney swept voters across the board, handily winning every social, economic, and generational demographic in the state, as well as 94% of all Mormon voters." (Susan Davis, Wall Street Journal, Feb. 5, 2008, Romney Wins Utah With Help From Friends [Note: The Wall Street Journal was citing MSNBC.msn.com...]

* 2008 (Nevada) Per the Mormon Church, Mormons make up about 7.5% of Nevada's population. But according to the entrance polls so far, a whopping 25% of those who participated in the state's GOP caucuses are Mormons. And 94% of those people went with Romney.
Source: Nevada Mormons turn out for Romney (Mark Murray, MSNBC, Jan. 19, 2008)

* 2008 (Arizona and Nevada): In the Nevada Republican caucuses last cycle, entrance polls found that a quarter — 26 percent — of participants were Mormons and 95 percent supported Romney. He won the state handily. The numbers were also impressive in Arizona, where exit polls showed 11 percent of voters were Mormon and 88 percent of them voted for Romney...
Source: Mitt Romney’s Mormon firewall

* 2012 (Nevada): According to exit polls conducted for the Associated Press, nine of 10 Mormon voters in Nevada supported Romney.
Source: Paul seeks to attract Mormon voters in Nevada GOP contest

Now...to illuminate those who don't think Utah Mormons have been engaging in sheer "identity politics," all ya gotta do is look at this exit-poll tidbit from '08:

Exit poll data from Tuesday's primary elections showed Utah Republican voters cared more about presidential candidates' PERSONAL QUALITIES THAN THEIR POSITIONS ON THE ISSUES, the OPPOSITE OF THE NATIONAL TREND of the national trend in Super Tuesday voting.
Source: Romney's exit disappoints strong Utah following (Feb. 7, 2008 AP/Salt Lake Tribune)

Hmm...rather interesting.

100 posted on 03/12/2012 7:56:03 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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