Posted on 03/12/2012 10:28:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
Reverend ONeal Dozier, an African American Rick Santorum supporter from Florida, held a press conference Sunday calling upon Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney to renounce his Mormon religion.
Mr. Doziers request is regarding several racially motivated passages in the Book of Mormon, that have been called out by other African American leaders previously in the race.
One verse in the Book of Mormon discusses the cursing the black African people, and Mr. Dozier also notes that their are prejudiced passages against Jews and Native Americans as well.
Romneys nomination would cause the erroneous view that has long existed in the minds of black people, that the Republican Party is prejudice to become a reality. Also, if Romney gets the nomination, President Obamas super pacs will educate the American people about his racist religion and he will probably lose to Obama, said Mr. Dozier in a press release.
Earlier in the primary race, Mr. Santorum made a campaign appearance at Pompano Beachs WorldWide Christian Center, where Mr. Dozier is the lead pastor.
During the week leading up to the Florida Republican primary election, Mr. Dozier told The Palm Beach Post that the American people will not vote for a Mormon to be president of the United States.
Mr. Romneys religion has had little impact on the primary race thus far. In states with large populations of Mormon voters, he has received the largest percentage of votes from Mormons. Thus, one could conclude his religion has been an advantage.
However, other religious figures have also criticized Mr. Romney for the passages in the Book of Mormon.
In January, Dr. Obery Hendricks a professor of Biblical Interpretation at the New York Theological Seminary, wrote an op-ed article in The Huffington Post making similar accusations against Mr. Romney.
What concerns me is this: the Book of Mormon, the book that Mitt Romney and all Mormons embrace as divinely revealed scripture that is more sacred, more true, and more inerrant than any other holy book on earth, declares that black people are cursed, said Mr. Hendricks in an MSNBC interview.
Mr. Romney has been the lone candidate not accused of making racist remarks against African American candidates in the race thus far though.
In contrast, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Mr. Santorum himself were issued open letters by the NAACP calling for them to retract statements associating African Americans with government welfare programs.
Furthermore, Mr. Romneys father, former Michigan Governor George Romney, was known as a vocal supporter of civil rights for African Americans.
Mr. Romney has not responded publicly to either Reverend Dozier or Mr. Hendricks comments about the racially charged Book of Mormon.
Going forward in the race, the Mormon factor will likely remain a resurfacing issue for Mr. Romney, especially if he wins the nomination and faces the nations first African American president.
Wow, what an increasingly interesting response.
mormonism is being exposed, sorry you have an issue with that, maybe you should get off the religion forum.
SLC lds and lds are voting for Romney because he is a mormon, Romney is a liberal because of his mormonism, so sorry you are unable to accept that.
That 95% figure is coming from exit polling:
Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, based on exit polls, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romneys support among Mormons 2012, 95 percent
Suz...here's an assignment for you...and if you can't answer it, you just might want to engage in some self-censorship on this issue:
Please show us from the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) where Jesus as he was engaged in a conversation with the teachers of the law/Pharisees engaged in "wooing" them.
Now I happen to know of ONE verse where Jesus actually complimented the Pharisees. But just one. Instead, the way Jesus treated the legalistic religiosity of that time was to afflict it...(surely you've heard of the statement...afflict the comfortable; comfort the afflicted).
Nowhere was Jesus hardest on legalists than Matthew 23 and John 8. I suggest those chapters to your reading.
Even with the Jews, the apostle Paul (& Apollos) would do the same...read Acts 17...Acts 18...
If you were to survey thousands of parents, Suz, you would realize that many of them have to engage in "tough love" with their teens re: substance abuse & the like. It's still "love" -- but it's another dimension of it.
If people don't want to hear the diagnosis of our sin -- some time has to be spent convincing them of it.
Now, if you need to understand WHY Mormons are legalists, I'll spend some time on another post on this thread explaining that to you.
But bottom line, Jesus says he came for those who recognized they had need of a physician. And legalists are usually the LAST to recognize that need.
Kid your blush is only just warming up...
Wait till Mormon bishop and high priest Willie Mitty is facing Obama
Then yer face will really get red..
Personally as a Christian I’m not concerned about how perturbed the members of a false religion want to get..
Please show us from the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) where Jesus as he was engaged in a conversation with the teachers of the law/Pharisees engaged in “wooing” them.
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Sue, The LORD Jesus Christ was so mean to those Pharisses that when they wanted to be right neighborly and throw him to his death off a cliff he just walked away and left them there..
He wasnt interested in playing with them...
Well, its mid-1835. Smith is churning out new Scripture. Smith is taking aim at new converts. But in that time, did he believe the Mormon gospel to be aimed at slaves? (No, not unless express permission was granted by their owners).
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Smith may have been copying the very early churches in NY...
Although he grabbed onto a convenient practice and then took it further and too far...
for instance the Reformed Dutch Church in Albany, New York had a policy in the 1700s that they wouldnt baptize black slaves unless their masters allowed it...
However there were few instances that a slave was not baptized ..
and the church records there and in the Dutch and French churches in NYC for the 1600s and 1700s are full of “date”, “Name”, “who is a slave”, etc for baptism records
There is no record that slaves could not be members or have the same salvation with the same Savior, The LORD Jesus Christ, as the white folks...
and slaves were up in the balcony every Sunday hearing the same gospel message that the whites heard..
However in 1835 most slaves in the North were freer than the slaves in the South and Smith was not an abolitionist...
He didnt want the slaves to be free...
He wanted them shackled and “in their place”
See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2858051/posts
Doncha just HATE when things like this occur???
But you HAVEN'T!
I, on the other hand, ...
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said, "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented. |
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parentson the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
DAMN!!
Why didn't the MORMONs think of this before NOW???
There is NO evidence of LAMANITES anywhere in AMERICA!
(But that fact does not stop MORMONs from booking archeology tours to Mayan lands!)
Oh?
Like MORMONs read the WOW and come away with the idea that CAFFINE is somehow banned?
Or that they CAN eat meat in the SUMMERTIME?
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Oh?
Why don't SLC mormons OBEY what is found in their 'scriptures'??
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Why don't they BELIEVE what their precious Prophet has told them???
Oh well.
That's what being a member of a self-righteous cult will get a person from time to time.
Don't need 'em; as long as we have the MORMON source materials to display.
Mr. Dozier’s a liar. There’s nothing about black Africans, or any other Africans, ANYWHERE in the Book of Mormon. The peoples with the dark skinned are the Lamanites, a people of Hebrewic origin, not African origin. And in fact, at various points in the Book of Mormon it is the dark skinned Lamanites that are the righteous ones and the white skinned Nephites who are wicked and cursed.
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OK we’ll look together shall we...
Yes we shall...
Racial Slurs in Mormon Scriptures!
Book of MORMON
1 Nephi 11:13 (Mary) . . . she was exceedingly fair and white.
1 Nephi 12:23 (Prophecy of Lamanites after Christ) . . . became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations.
1 Nephi 13:15 (Gentiles) . . . they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people [Nephites] before they were slain.
2 Nephi 5:21 . . . a sore cursing . . . as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
2 Nephi 30:6 (Prophecy to Lamanites) . . . scales of darkness shall begin to fall . . . they shall be a white and delightsome people. (Changed to pure and delightsome in 1981)
Jacob 3:5 (Lamanites cursed) . . .whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins. . .
Jacob 3:8-9 . . .their skins will be whiter than yours . . . revile no more against them because of the darkness of their skins . . .
Alma 3:6 . . . skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion. . .
Alma 3:8 (Cursed) . . .that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren . . .that they might not mix . . .
Alma 3:9 . . . whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed.
Alma 3:14 (Lamanites cursed) . . . set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed. . .
Alma 3:19 (Amlicites cursed) . . . brought upon themselves the curse ...
Alma 23:18 . . . [Lamanites] did open a correspondence with them [Nephites] and the curse of God did no more follow them.
3 Nephi 2:14-16 . . . Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites . . . became exceedingly fair . . .
3 Nephi 19:25, 30 (Disciples) . . . they were as white as the countenance and also the garments of Jesus; and behold the whiteness thereof did exceed all the whiteness . . . nothing upon earth so white as the whiteness thereof . . . they were white, even as Jesus.
Mormon 5:15 (Prophecy about Lamanites) . . .shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us . . .
Mormon 5:17 They were once a delightsome people . . .
Pearl of Great Price
Moses 7:8 . . . a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan . . .
Moses 7:12 . . . Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were [except] the people of Canaan, to repent . . .
Moses 7:22 . . . for the seed of Cain were black and had not place among them.
Abraham 1:21 . . . king of Egypt [Pharaoh] was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.
Abraham 1:27 . . . Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood . . .
Racism
2 NEPHI 5:21 (Book of Mormon)
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.
And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.
plus, his numbers during the 2008 campaign shows he has about 90% turnout from LDS...
twenty people who are not only for you, but actually show up at the voting booth out-vote one hundred people who may be against you, but fall below 20% turnout when polls open
i presently anchor in Corrine Brown territory where conservatives have been beeyatchin for four years about how awful things are...an yet when it came tume for registered R's to be counted?...13% turnout from Repubs...
guess we all need a "prophet of doom" holding eternal damnation versus deification dangling in front of our eyes before we actually get off our azzes and vote :^(
Sure there is!
It just happens to be coming FROM them; not TOWARDS them!
You are confused.
That's not hate; but pity.
You’d rather be right than win. Okay. Whatever. Enjoy your hate fest.
Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.
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