[Timber Rattler]

Whut?

[narses]

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[longtermmemmory]

fake.

the way I understand it, pope john paul changed this.

Does anyone who happens to be a member know the real deal and not the silly conspiracy theories?

(History Channel pretty much had a documentary on this which poo poos the conspiracy kooks)

[Sacajaweau]

In its day, it was pure politics. 14 Presidents including Washington have been Masons.

Plenty of circa 1800 articles attaching Washington to the ceremonies of Masonry.

[Iscool]

Catholic attorney John Salza once found himself inside a masonic hall, being asked to take off his wedding ring and crucifix as he swore an oath to be reborn as a Freemason.

Although he knew in his heart that something was wrong, he did not leave right away. Over several years, he advanced to the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite — a level that only a select group of masons are invited to.

I don't believe him...I think he's lying...

[paterfamilias]

From the article:

“Now remember, the only requirement to join Freemasonry is to believe in Deity. I didn’t say believe in the Trinity, I didn’t say believe in the God of heaven and earth, or Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, it is to believe in Deity — to believe in a supreme being or something beyond you. That is why Masonry uses this term ‘deity.’”

I have noticed over the years that Bill O’Reilly uses the term “deity” to refer to God. I have always thought that it was just a manifestation of his usual pedantic bombast.

Now, I am led to wonder whether O’Reilly is a Freemason.

[Vendome]

The Catholic Church still persecuting Masons after all these years of their self avarice of Masonic Banking, the outright theft or attempt of the Masons banking assets some centuries ago and their murder of so many Masons on “Friday the 13th”.

So what is going to happen this Monday?

[jagusafr]

My dad became a Mason and a Shriner and offered to sponsor me. I had to tell him (a devout Christian, as am I), “They require a blood oath, and my blood is spoken for.” I can’t understand how one can be a Christian and take the oaths required by freemasonry.

[libertarian neocon]

What a stilted piece. I don’t really want to comment on the ritual but he was asked to remove the cross and the wedding ring not because they represented the church but because they are considered jewelry. He is using some sort of paranoid fantasy to ascribe anti-christian reasons for things that have nothing to do with christianity. If you walk into a hall you will meet decent hardworking Americans who all believe in God and most would feel at home amongst Freepers!

[Nip]

Bill Howard had better start doing his own research.

The 32nd degree is achievable by all adult males who become Masons.

Sorry, but I stopped right there.

Disclaimer: I am a 32nd degree mason in both the Scottish and York Rites.

[ontap]

Anyone interested ca n go here for a partial list of Masonic members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasons

[ontap]

Freemasons among the U.S. Founding Fathers

Some people think that almost all the Founding Fathers were Freemasons, and others that very few were. You can find information about which of the Founding Fathers, signers of the Declaration of Independence, signers of the Constitution, and Generals in the Continental Army under Washington, were Masons.

Signers of the Declaration of Independence who were Freemasons

Signers of the U.S. Constitution who were Freemasons

Generals in the Continental Army under George Washington who were Freemasons

In summary:

Category Total Number Involved Number & Percent Who Were Freemasons
Signers of the Declaration of Independence 56 9 — 16%
Signers of the U.S. Constitution 39 13 — 33%
Generals in the Continental Army 74 33 — 46%

[Rashputin]

Read, "Blood Covered Alters" by Francis Clement Kelly and then some of the stuff in the bibliography. While I've never had bad experiences with any Masons and have never had any Masons behave as if they were anti-Christian (far from it, most I've known have been active, practicing, Christians), there is a very clear and strong European strain of Masonic thought and practice that grew out of the French Revolution and is absolutely anti-Christian as well as anti-Islamic and anti every other form of worship.

I wonder if American Masons even know about the European strain that is rabidly anti-Christian and in reality, anti-God.

Regards

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Over several years, he advanced to the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite — a level that only a select group of masons are invited to.” <<

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That statement is false.

The 32nd degree is the top degree that is admitted through study.

Perhaps they meant the 33rd?

[CodeToad]

Is the Catholic Church fearing the pull of the Masons? Masons can go to church. Nothing prevents them from attend any church of their choosing.

[John Leland 1789]

There are thousands of churches that will not grant church membership to Masonic Lodge members.

[Salvation]

Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, [Part 1]
Good Catholics should not wear aprons
Sandra Miesel explains why Catholics can't be Masons
Masonic Lodges Open Those Mysterious Doors
"LOST SYMBOL" PICTURES: Masonic Symbols Decoded
Georgia freemasons at loggerheads over admission of black man to lodge
Is There No Help For The Widow's Son? Part two (Masonry and Mormonism) (OPEN)

Masonic rituals live on
First-Ever Masonic Inaugural Ball to be Held[In honor of President-elect, Barack Obama]
A Mormon Mason: New grand master is the first in a century who is LDS
Freemasons open a lodge at Buckingham Palace but the Queen isn't amused
Islam and Freemasonry
Masonry, Atheism and Catholicism
New Masons Drawn by Brotherhood, Not Myths
THE ANTI-CATHOLIC NATURE OF FREEMASONRY
Cuban Freemason Dr. Alfredo Manuel Pulido Lopez is being held prisoner in Cuba
Masonic rituals live on

[MarkBsnr]

Me too. 32nd degree in Detroit.

I was a member of group for awhile that was KofC and Freemason.

My Fransciscan padre helped me understand things...