It is a different Christ, a false Christ. . . . . . .
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Lets see, the Mormons worship The Christ that was born of Mary in Bethlehem. The one that turned water into wine, the one that was baptized by John, the one that was judged by Pilot and Herod and punished by Pilot. The one that was whipped nearly to death, was made to carry His cross to Golgotha, where he was cruelly crucified but was not killed but where he gave up His Spirit to God from where it came. The same Jesus that was resurrected on Easter Morning and was seen by Mary and then the 12 and eventually seen by over 500 who saw Him ascend into Heaven. The same Jesus Christ is willing to save us all from our sins that would otherwise doom us to everlasting Hell. Thats the Jesus the Mormons worship, you worship a different Jesus?
I know the Mormons have different beliefs but I know also that they worship the same Jesus Christ that I know. Maybe some of their beliefs are wrong, maybe not but they worship Christ. They may not be “traditional Christians” but they follow Christ to the best of their ability. They love The Lord.
My wife is one of them, if she doesn’t love The Lord then nobody does.
The ridicule I see here to me reeks of hate, this odor should never come from Christians.
Although, many mormons will go into all kinds of contortions attempting to explain what the passage "really" means. That Jerusalem, as described in the BoM is comparable to a county and that Bethlehem is a town in said county, therefore, there is no conflict.
Yeah, right. As to the behavior of Christ in the BoM:
I'm not too convinced that the mormon christ as described, is the same as described in the Bible, entirely different behavior upon the resurrection.
Did Christ lie when He stated that upon His return, the whole world would know? Where does it state He would meet in secret with a teenage conman, thief and storyteller?
The mormon christ is only able to "save" after a mormon has gone through all of the rituals in the temple, has accepted and performed all of their callings in an acceptable manner, etc.
AFTER ALL YOU CAN DO. That is the precept that mormonism teaches that is incompatible with the Biblical adomonition found in John 6:28-29. Why then, do the mormons have to take out endowments in the temple using pagan rituals that are not found in either the Bible or the BoM? Why then, is the mormon god exclusionary this way? Why is it acceptable for a woman's fate to be inextricably tied to the whims or desires of her husband? That if he chooses not to call her secret name at the veil, she can be forbidden from entering into the celestial kingdom to dwell in the presence of the mormon god?
Is Jesus a liar, again?
Mormons believe that Jesus is a finite being who was created at some point in time, used to be a man, and had to earn his “divinity”. Mormons don’t believe that Jesus is the one and only God, but instead one of many gods, who happened to be chosen by a council of gods to reign over Earth.
That view is entirely different from Christians who recognize Christ as eternally the one, true God.
Mormons diminish the view of Jesus by ascribing finite attributes to him.
mormonism teaches a christ that was born because the lds god had sexual intercourse with Mary
mormonism teaches that a christ paid the price in the garden and discount the Cross
mormonism teaches a created christ not an eternal Christ
mormonism teaches that a god was once a man and progressed to godhood not an eternal God
mormonism teaches that a chirst is not sufficient for salvation, salvation must be worked for with no assurance
mormonism does not teach about hell only levels of celestial being
mormonism teaches that man can become gods of their own planets
mormonism teaches that women do not progress to a celestial level without their husbands
mormonism does not in any fashion teach a Biblical Christ
I see in your list you left off the brother of Satan, born of a physical sex act between god and Mary, sacrifice not being totally sufficient, being one of many gods, etc.
Pretty significant stuff that...
So as a Christian I guess you ignore the guidance to call out false teachers and false Christs. I also would be accurate in stating that you have issues with the call to defend the faith.
To pick and choose. Must be nice.
Well maybe not in the end...
I still do find it interesting that you yourself are not Mormon...
We find it hilarious that you mormon defenders get your underwear in a knot about the posting of factual mormon doctrine from mormon sources by a few dozen FReepers at the same time that your leaders are bragging about the following:
We are grateful for the 52,225 full-time missionaries serving in more than 150 countries.16 The sun never sets on righteous missionaries testifying of the Savior mormon church. Think of the spiritual power of 52,000 missionaries, endowed with the Spirit of the Lord Joseph Smith, boldly declaring that there is “no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come … , only in and through the name of Christ. mormon church temple rituals
"My young brethren of the priesthood, I testify of the majesty, but most of all, of the certainty of this magnificent event. The Savior lives. He will return to the earth (the Second Coming) . And whether on this side of the veil or the other, you and I will rejoice in His coming and thank the Lord that He sent us to earth at this time to fulfill our sacred duty of helping prepare the world for His return the mormon theocracy
."other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).
Preparing the World for the Second Coming-LDS.org, April 2011
Anyone who believes that Romney isn't fully immersed in this doctrine and the Law of Consecration is a fool: The Law of Consecration is considered by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a "celestial law." That is, people who are living lives dedicated to the service of God, such that at judgment they would be assigned to the Celestial Kingdom, should be able and expected to live the Law of Consecration. The Law of Consecration is that, if necessary or requested, a person would give everything he has for the building up of the Kingdom of God on Earth. He would be willing to wholeheartedly give of his time, talents, and resources. Thus, the person is "consecrating" all his personal resources to the Lord.
“The law of consecration,” said Elder Bruce R. McConkie (1915–85) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, “is that we consecrate our time, our talents, and our money and property to the cause of the Church; such are to be available to the extent they are needed to further the Lord’s interests on earth.” Mormon Temple Covenants
So, whine away. The exposure you provide enables us to post more information that many FReepers and lurkers have not seen about the beliefs of mormons, including Romney.
“I know the Mormons have different beliefs but I know also that they worship the same Jesus Christ that I know. Maybe some of their beliefs are wrong, maybe not but they worship Christ. They may not be “traditional Christians” but they follow Christ to the best of their ability. They love The Lord.”
So you are saying you also worship a created spirit who later became one of the FOUR Mormon earth gods? One of millions of other Mormon gods?
Thank you for LEAVING out the stuff that makes MORMONism MORMON!
I guess you'll soon be DENOUNCING the QUOTES in reply #42?
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Matthew 231. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
Mark 7:26-27
26. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
And St. Paul chimes in...
Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
And which Christ do you know?
Thanks, JAKraig — we believe in the very same Jesus.
It is odd how many people think Mormons are heading to the depths of hell because we put our faith in a ‘false’ Christ.
Your list in incomplete JAK. In addition (and mormons love to add to things)
Mormon Jesus is ontologically the spirit brother of satan
Mormon Jesus is a spirit child of heavenly father- a being that progressed to become a 'god' among a plethura of other 'gods' Mormon Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient to cover all my sins.
Mormon Jesus is a lesser god of the pantheon of gods - still progressing to ever higher godhood
Mormon Jesus is part of a three god committee mormons call the godhead, composed of himself, heavenly father and another spirit child turned god called "Holy Ghost" who some how attained godhood without the mandantory time as a human and has no name.
The atonement of the mormon Jesus only allows for a bodily resurrection. There is no 'hell' in mormonism to be saved from, just different levels of 'heaven'
The grace of mormon Jesus is dependent upon works of perfection and doing all possible to become sinless on their own power.
No JAK, this mormon Jesus is not the same Jesus you presented, but the mormon PR version. It is a cardboard cut out of the real Jesus.
Really? It doesn't trouble you that your church tells you that your own wife's religion is not a Christian religion,?
Well, lets see what Brigham Young had so say about the subject, because after all, he is a mormon prophet... And notice how he uses the word, "Gods".
Brigham Young - For some the only way to be saved and exalted with the Gods is to have their own blood shed. "Will you love your brothers or sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood?" Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 219 (1857)
Would you kill your loved ones to save them from their sins? I thought Jesus was the only one to save you from your sins.
Brigham Young - If you find your brother in bed with your wife, and you put a javelin through them both, you would be justified and they would atoned for their sins and be received into the kingdom of God. ... "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out,..... your own blood must atone for it;" Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247 (1856)
Then why worship Jesus as your savior if you don't think he can save you from your sins?
John 14:6- Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
This is what the Mormon leaders of the church have said. How can mormons say they love Jesus when they deny his authority?
Brigham Young - "If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity." Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 108 (1853)
How does this even come close to what Jesus taught?