Done.
That's some speecy meat-a-balls.
Smith found the text in sarcophagi???
I thought he pulled it out of his hat!
I think that it is well established that Joseph Smith was a professional fraud, and that the Mormons know this better than anyone. Lying about Smith has made them into constant deceivers.
Wow ... and Hodar read me the riot act on another thread for an “assault” on Mormons when I said that Mormons are not supposed to use caffeine, while joking that Romney’s election might cause carding at the coffee shop (this was on the thread about people selling beer to Native Americans). He/She won’t have to worry about low blood pressure for a while!
No matter how hard the Mormon church tries, it will never get beyond the fact that Joseph Smith was running a scam. It’s a business that is stuck to its fortune teller.
meanwhile, it’s perfectly believable that:
1. bushes can burn without being scorched
2. the dead can be reanimated
3. people can walk on water
4. people can be cured of blindness by a touch of a hand
5. eating fish on friday means something
6. big funny hats mean you hold higher ‘rank’ in a religion
7. a book pulled together from numerous authors is ‘the word of God’
etc etc
point is, any religion can be attacked, and usually is, by those in another religion. all belief systems are based on ‘faith’ ... which means, no proof
if a group of people enjoy their religion and aren’t hurting anyone else, then what place do you have to denigrate their beliefs? you’re just a bigot and your type doesn’t belong on FR or in America. the founders would have found your ilk as repulsive as those they left in europe
It's a shame more Mormons don't investigate as you did. But then most involved in cultish religions seldom do so....and why they remain.
I have read also about the many places they claim and there is zero archaeological evidence that those places ever existed.
Years ago a friend of mine who had worked in Salt Lake bought a copy (in plain brown wrapper, under the counter) of “No Man Knows MY History” by Fawn M. Brodie. He loaned it to me to read. Very interesting read, and I have been told by several that it is very accurate.
And after thinking about it for a few seconds, do we have a parallel between Joseph Smith and Barack H. Obama? We certainly do not know the history of Obozo.
How happy do you think the traveling curiosity peddler of Egyptian mummies was when he conned old Joe into giving him a small fortune for his crap? I bet he had a huge party to celebrate!
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To the headline: duh!
DUH!
Getting to the party late is better than not getting there at all!
"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."---Joseph Knight's journal.
"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.
"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.
In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:
"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."
"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)
In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)
Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"("A New Witness for Christ in America,"Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)
"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.
You're kidding! What a shock!