Catholic ping!
“Our Lord provided us with an authoritative body that can express the Truths of Revelation over time and cultures without error. A body that has the authority to interpret the Sacred Texts and present them to all cultures and times. “
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You are merely pushing back your supposed problem by one level.
The Magesterium is ALSO subject to the limitations of time and culture. It’s pronouncements ALSO need to be interpreted.
If God was, according to your way of thinking, unable to clearly and adequately express Himself in the Bible, what makes you think He is capable of doing so through the Magesterium?
Catholic tradition is real.
Sometimes Protestants FORGET that the Bible was collated by the Catholics and not until (finally) in 420 A.D. Before that there were just random copies of the words of Jesus and his Apostles floating around. With all that were forgeries and lies.
It was the task of the Catholic bishops to sort out all the documents and decide on which of them were real and which were false.
Thus the 27 documents which form the New Testament were the fruit of the Council called by the Pope, the direct descendant of Peter, in 420 A.D. That was the "birthday" of the Bible. Before that there was APOSTOLIC TRADITION, oral history, from the mouths of the Apostles to their diciples...THEN the finally-collated BIBLE.
History, you can't beat it. The early Christians took after their Jewish ancestors and kept records, wrote it all down, appreciated the efficacy of the written word.
I wonder why so many Protestants fight it?
The Magisterium is the fourth leg of the Trinity. When you add a "Mother" of God, you come up with a five sided representation.
“The Magisterium”, if I understand correctly, is an extension of Oral Torah from the Jews.
Moses received extensive revelation on Mount Sinai (for several months), then taught orally for 40 years until he wrote a Torah Scroll just before his death. So not only was there a text that must be transmitted, but also explanations for its meanings and applications, as well as other conventional history.
Well written, however the Holy Spirit is my tutor.
Allen interview of Cardinal George supports report of parallel magisterium worries
The Magisterium: A Precious Gift (Catholic Caucus)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium
Anti-Popes and Dangers of a Parallel Magisterium (Church under attack) [Catholic Caucus]
Pontiff Calls for Complete Fidelity to Magisterium
Modernism and the Magisterium
Catholic Word of the Day: EXTRAORDINARY MAGISTERIUM , 10-23-09
Exemplary loyalty and devotion to the Holy Father and the magisterium
Nostra Aetate [Catholic Magisterium Rejecting Collective Guilt of Jews]
The Magisterium: A precious gift
Searching for: CHURCH
MATTHEW 16:18 I will build my CHURCH; and the gates of
MATTHEW 18:17 tell it unto the CHURCH: but if he neglect
MATTHEW 18:17 neglect to hear the CHURCH, let him be unto
ACTS 2:47 Lord added to the CHURCH daily such as should
ACTS 5:11 came upon all the CHURCH, and upon as many
ACTS 7:38 that was in the CHURCH in the wilderness with
ACTS 8:1 great persecution against the CHURCH which was at Jerusalem;
ACTS 8:3 made havock of the CHURCH, entering into every house,
ACTS 11:22 the ears of the CHURCH which was in Jerusalem:
ACTS 11:26 assembled themselves with the CHURCH, and taught much people.
ACTS 12:1 forth his hands to vex certain of the CHURCH.
ACTS 12:5 without ceasing of the CHURCH unto God for him.
ACTS 13:1 there were in the CHURCH that was at Antioch
ACTS 14:23 them elders in every CHURCH, and had prayed with
ACTS 14:27 and had gathered the CHURCH together, they rehearsed all
ACTS 15:3 their way by the CHURCH, they passed through Phenice
ACTS 15:4 were received of the CHURCH, and of the apostles
ACTS 15:22 elders with the whole CHURCH, to send chosen men
ACTS 18:22 up, and saluted the CHURCH, he went down to
ACTS 20:17 to Ephesus, and called the elders of the CHURCH.
ACTS 20:28 overseers, to feed the CHURCH of God, which he
ROMANS 16:1 a servant of the CHURCH which is at Cenchrea:
ROMANS 16:5 Likewise greet the CHURCH that is in their house.
ROMANS 16:23 and of the whole CHURCH, saluteth you. Erastus the
1 CORINTHIANS 1:2 Unto the CHURCH of God which is at Corinth,
1 CORINTHIANS 4:17 Christ, as I teach every where in every CHURCH.
1 CORINTHIANS 6:4 to judge who are least esteemed in the CHURCH.
1 CORINTHIANS 10:32 to the Gentiles, nor to the CHURCH of God:
1 CORINTHIANS 11:18 come together in the CHURCH, I hear that there
1 CORINTHIANS 11:22 or despise ye the CHURCH of God, and shame
1 CORINTHIANS 12:28 set some in the CHURCH, first apostles, secondarily prophets,
1 CORINTHIANS 14:4 edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the CHURCH.
1 CORINTHIANS 14:5 except he interpret, that the CHURCH may receive edifying.
1 CORINTHIANS 14:12 ye may excel to the edifying of the CHURCH.
1 CORINTHIANS 14:19 Yet in the CHURCH I had rather speak five
1 CORINTHIANS 14:23 If therefore the whole CHURCH be come together into
1 CORINTHIANS 14:28 keep silence in the CHURCH; and let him speak
1 CORINTHIANS 14:35 a shame for women to speak in the CHURCH.
1 CORINTHIANS 15:9 an apostle, because I persecuted the CHURCH of God.
1 CORINTHIANS 16:19 the Lord, with the CHURCH that is in their
2 CORINTHIANS 1:1 our brother, unto the CHURCH of God which is
GALATIANS 1:13 measure I persecuted the CHURCH of God, and wasted
EPHESIANS 1:22 be the head over all things to the CHURCH,
EPHESIANS 3:10 be known by the CHURCH the manifold wisdom of
EPHESIANS 3:21 be glory in the CHURCH by Christ Jesus throughout
EPHESIANS 5:23 the head of the CHURCH: and he is the
EPHESIANS 5:24 Therefore as the CHURCH is subject unto Christ, so
EPHESIANS 5:25 Christ also loved the CHURCH, and gave himself for
EPHESIANS 5:27 to himself a glorious CHURCH, not having spot, or
EPHESIANS 5:29 and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the CHURCH:
EPHESIANS 5:32 mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the CHURCH.
PHILIPPIANS 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the CHURCH; touching the righteousness which
PHILIPPIANS 4:15 departed from Macedonia, no CHURCH communicated with me as
COLOSSIANS 1:18 of the body, the CHURCH: who is the beginning,
COLOSSIANS 1:24 flesh for his body’s sake, which is the CHURCH:
COLOSSIANS 4:15 and Nymphas, and the CHURCH which is in his
COLOSSIANS 4:16 read also in the CHURCH of the Laodiceans; and
1 THESSALONIANS 1:1 and Timotheus, unto the CHURCH of the Thessalonians which
2 THESSALONIANS 1:1 and Timotheus, unto the CHURCH of the Thessalonians in
1 TIMOTHY 3:5 shall he take care of the CHURCH of God?)
1 TIMOTHY 3:15 God, which is the CHURCH of the living God,
1 TIMOTHY 5:16 and let not the CHURCH be charged; that it
PHILEMON 1:2 our fellowsoldier, and to the CHURCH in thy house:
HEBREWS 2:12 the midst of the CHURCH will I sing praise
HEBREWS 12:23 the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn, which
JAMES 5:14 the elders of the CHURCH; and let them pray
1 PETER 5:13 The CHURCH that is at Babylon, elected together with
3 JOHN 1:6 thy charity before the CHURCH: whom if thou bring
3 JOHN 1:9 I wrote unto the CHURCH: but Diotrephes, who loveth
3 JOHN 1:10 that would, and casteth them out of the CHURCH.
REVELATION 2:1 the angel of the CHURCH of Ephesus write; These
REVELATION 2:8 the angel of the CHURCH in Smyrna write; These
REVELATION 2:12 the angel of the CHURCH in Pergamos write; These
REVELATION 2:18 the angel of the CHURCH in Thyatira write; These
REVELATION 3:1 the angel of the CHURCH in Sardis write; These
REVELATION 3:7 the angel of the CHURCH in Philadelphia write; These
REVELATION 3:14 the angel of the CHURCH of the Laodiceans write;
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This article makes me think of the old testament story of Israel wanting a King
1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
1Sa 8:8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
1Sa 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
1Sa 8:10 ¶ And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
1Sa 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint [them] for himself, for his chariots, and [to be] his horsemen; and [some] shall run before his chariots.
1Sa 8:12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and [will set them] to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
1Sa 8:13 And he will take your daughters [to be] confectionaries, and [to be] cooks, and [to be] bakers.
1Sa 8:14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, [even] the best [of them], and give [them] to his servants.
1Sa 8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
1Sa 8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put [them] to his work.
1Sa 8:17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
1Sa 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
1Sa 8:19 ¶ Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
1Sa 8:20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
1Sa 8:21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the LORD.
1Sa 8:22 And the LORD said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. .......
Men are not satisfied by God..they want a visible representative or representatives to lead them ...
Thanks, NYer.
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Who do you think the politicians model their legislative motivations from?
“Make new rules and declarations. It’s our job!” is their unspoken motto it seems.
For soul saving and godly living, the scriptures are more than adequate. The vanity of needing ‘more facts’ to proclaim is certainly nothing new. Pride. That is just what gives way to new ‘prophets’ like Mowhamhead and Joe Smith.
Really?
I say if we have to some other dudes also far removed from the original Greek and Hebrew to explain it for me, then I am probably DOOMED.
I suspect that the oft discussed "Call no man father" verse should REALLY be translated: Call no man cousin.
2 Peter 1:3-5
3 Jesus has the power of God. And his power has given us everything we need to live a life devoted to God.
The Sadducees and Pharisees agree with you 100%.
They also DISAGREE over which one of THEM are the correct interpreters of what had been written down before.