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Why Did You Choose “Catholic? (Why do adults become Catholics?)
CE.com ^ | January 27th, 2012 | George Weigel

Posted on 01/27/2012 9:11:21 PM PST by Salvation

Why Did You Choose “Catholic?”

January 27th, 2012 by George Weigel

Why do adults become Catholics?

There are as many reasons for “converting” as there are converts. Evelyn Waugh became a Catholic with, by his own admission, “little emotion but clear conviction”: this was the truth; one ought to adhere to it. Cardinal Avery Dulles wrote that his journey into the Catholic Church began when, as an unbelieving Harvard undergraduate detached from his family’s staunch Presbyterianism, he noticed a leaf shimmering with raindrops while taking a walk along the Charles River in Cambridge, Mass.; such beauty could not be accidental, he thought—there must be a Creator. Thomas Merton found Catholicism aesthetically, as well as intellectually, attractive: once the former Columbia free-thinker and dabbler in communism and Hinduism found his way into a Trappist monastery and became a priest, he explained the Mass to his unconverted friend, poet Robert Lax, by analogy to a ballet. Until his death in 2007, Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger insisted that his conversion to Catholicism was not a rejection of, but a fulfillment of, the Judaism into which he was born; the cardinal could often be found at Holocaust memorial services reciting the names of the martyrs, including “Gisèle Lustiger, ma maman” (“my mother”).

Two of the great nineteenth-century converts were geniuses of the English language: theologian John Henry Newman and poet Gerard Manley Hopkins. This tradition of literary converts continued in the twentieth century, and included Waugh, Graham Greene, Edith Sitwell, Ronald Knox, and Walker Percy. Their heritage lives today at Our Savior’s Church on Park Avenue in New York, where convert author, wit, raconteur and amateur pugilist George William Rutler presides as pastor.

In early American Catholicism, the fifth archbishop of Baltimore (and de facto primate of the United States), Samuel Eccleston, was a convert from Anglicanism, as was the first native-born American saint and the precursor of the Catholic school system, Elizabeth Ann Seton. Mother Seton’s portrait in the offices of the archbishop of New York is somewhat incongruous, as the young widow Seton, with her children, was run out of New York by her unforgiving Anglican in-laws when she became a Catholic. On his deathbed, another great nineteenth-century convert, Henry Edward Manning of England, who might have become the Anglican archbishop of Canterbury but became the Catholic archbishop of Westminster instead, took his long-deceased wife’s prayer book from beneath his pillow and gave it to a friend, saying that it had been his spiritual inspiration throughout his life.

If there is a thread running through these diverse personalities, it may be this: that men and women of intellect, culture and accomplishment have found in Catholicism what Blessed John Paul II called the “symphony of truth.” That rich and complex symphony, and the harmonies it offers, is an attractive, compelling and persuasive alternative to the fragmentation of modern and post-modern intellectual and cultural life, where little fits together and much is cacophony. Catholicism, however, is not an accidental assembly of random truth-claims; the creed is not an arbitrary catalogue of propositions and neither is the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It all fits together, and in proposing that symphonic harmony, Catholicism helps fit all the aspects of our lives together, as it orders our loves and loyalties in the right direction.

You don’t have to be an intellectual to appreciate this “symphony of truth,” however. For Catholicism is, first of all, an encounter with a person, Jesus Christ, who is “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). And to meet that person is to meet the truth that makes all the other truths of our lives make sense. Indeed, the embrace of Catholic truth in full, as lives like Blessed John Henry Newman’s demonstrate, opens one up to the broadest possible range of intellectual encounters.

Viewed from outside, Catholicism can seem closed and unwelcoming. As Evelyn Waugh noted, though, it all seems so much more spacious and open from the inside. The Gothic, with its soaring vaults and buttresses and its luminous stained glass, is not a classic Catholic architectural form by accident. The full beauty of the light, however, washes over you when you come in.

 
George Weigel is author of the bestselling books The Courage to Be Catholic: Crisis, Reform, and the Future of the Church and Letters to a Young Catholic.

This column has been made available to Catholic Exchange courtesy of the
Denver Catholic Register.

 



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; converts; saints
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To: vladimir998
Then this is too much for you. It is best you move on then and allow those with more skill and understanding to participate.

Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

81 posted on 01/28/2012 8:51:10 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Tramonto

Matthew26: 26-28, “While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, ‘Take and eat; this IS >my body.’ Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you for this IS >my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.”

The appearance on the Road to Emmaus, (After the resurrection) Luke24:30&31 (in part), ‘He took bread said the blessing, broke it, and gave to them. >With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him.’ >>The Christian Church (Both Roman Catholic & Eastern Orthodox) have recognized The Host as being truly real for the last 2,000 years. ++We the millions of Christians through time & geography have experienced that the Eucharist is REAL & we recognize Jesus in it.

>>A separate comment about using the pejorative term ‘Cracker’ to describe Jesus. It is true that Jesus walked the Holy Lands speaking with a >southern Galilean accent. & Jesus had a Missouri attitude of: ‘Talk is cheap;> SHOW ME.’ ++ The ‘big thinkers’ in Jerusalem wondered> who is this ‘hick’ speaking with such authority; isn’t he the carpenter’s son. Also, Jesus Christ came to earth to free us from the clutches of the devil & the slavery of sin. Jesus then turns us into his own> ‘Bond-Servants.’

However with all that said, >I personally wouldn’t call Jesus a ‘cracker.’ The Grace of God has given EVERYONE the ability to recognize Jesus as being truly present in the EUCHARIST >even all of us ‘hicks & okies’ in all nations in this world.


82 posted on 01/28/2012 8:51:53 AM PST by gghd (A Pro-life Palinista)
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To: Tramonto
**I do think that there will be a large scale return to Roman Catholicism **

Ut's already happening. Each year at Easter there are so many converts. Last year the ceremony at our local Cathedral had to be broken into three different days because there were so many converts. That's from one day a couple years ago.

83 posted on 01/28/2012 8:52:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: kingcanuteus

You wrote:

“Please, As a non-Catholic Christian I would be interested in your reasoning. As a Christian, I would behave as a Berean and test your reasoning against scripture.”

When you provide the answers I requested, you could do that.

“I just don’t understand this heat on both sides, and it seems the overriding objective is to score points over another person.”

No, that is not it at all.


84 posted on 01/28/2012 8:53:21 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: sayuncledave

All I can say is “Welcome home, Janet. We’re so glad you’re here.”


85 posted on 01/28/2012 8:58:57 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RFEngineer

A marriage by the Justice of the Peace is not considered valid in the Catholic Church. There are other circumstances such as later in the marriage declaring to one’s spouse I never wanted to be married and I never wanted children.

(And moving in with a man two weeks later, to boot.)


86 posted on 01/28/2012 9:01:58 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick

Amen!!!!!!!!


87 posted on 01/28/2012 9:03:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

ROFL!!!


88 posted on 01/28/2012 9:05:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RFEngineer
Reagan was pretty close, but not as close as W was to becoming a Catholic.

 
 
 
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The greatest challenge facing the western world is not violence from without, but the tragic decision to take a life within.

89 posted on 01/28/2012 9:08:13 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Grunthor
“crazy junk.” (his words)

I almost didn't post this because the assertion usually generates a LOT of heat, but I have found over the last 15 or so years that "crazy junk" usually turns out to be "groin issues". God is merciful though.

90 posted on 01/28/2012 9:09:03 AM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: vladimir998

What about all the predictions in Psalms, Isaiah and other books of the Old Testament that are fulfilled in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

The Bible stands with both sections intertwined.....just read Matthew sometime and count the references to the Old Testament.


91 posted on 01/28/2012 9:11:59 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

You wrote:

“What about all the predictions in Psalms, Isaiah and other books of the Old Testament that are fulfilled in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.”

None of that addresses what I asked for.

“The Bible stands with both sections intertwined.....just read Matthew sometime and count the references to the Old Testament.”

I’ve read it. None of what you posted addressed what I asked for.


92 posted on 01/28/2012 9:15:03 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Grunthor

Church of Nazarene
Year Established: c. 1850-1900
Founder: Various religious bodies
Where Estab;osjed: Pilot Point, TX

Source — http://www.scripturecatholic.com/history.html


93 posted on 01/28/2012 9:16:28 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: crosshairs

So how did you “undo” your Catholic baptism? Ut can’t be done!

Once baptized, always baptized.


94 posted on 01/28/2012 9:18:17 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Legatus

Oh nothing like that.....he was comparing us (Nazarenes) to other local churches most of which are Charismatic, speaking in tongues (without deference to 1 Corinthians 14:27-28) Holy Rollers.

Although I have heard of people leaving the Catholic Church for the reason that you alluded to I have yet to meet any whose reason that I could verify if I so chose. Mainly they just said they “didn’t feel comfortable there any longer.”

Yes, that family has 3 young sons


95 posted on 01/28/2012 9:19:54 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: Salvation; crosshairs

So everyone that was baptized a Catholic is a Catholic no matter what?


96 posted on 01/28/2012 9:21:22 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: vladimir998; Just mythoughts; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; boatbums; xzins; P-Marlowe
Er, if I may, the question you asked is not phrased in a way that a non-Catholic Christian can answer it directly. You asked:

Using scripture alone show that Matthew wrote a gospel and that it is inspired.

Worded as follows the substance of your question can be answered:

How do you know that Scripture, e.g. the Gospel of Matthew, contains the words of God?

If you had asked it that way, I would say that Christians have the gift of "ears to hear." We know God's words when we hear them. Thus we know what is or is not Scripture. People who do not have that gift cannot hear Him and cannot discern the difference between the words of men and the words of God.

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. – John 10:3-5

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:- Matt 13:14

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:13

And again:

And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. - Deuteronomy 29:2-5

And again:

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27

For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12

We know God's words when we hear them. We don't need any creature to tell us. If and when we did need that, then we were not yet Christian.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. - John 3:5-8

I suspect the persons who gathered, retained and passed along the Scriptures heard God's words also, i.e. knew their importance. But the glory for preserving His words goes to God not man.

The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. – Psalms 12:6-7

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it. - Isaiah 55:11

God's Name is I AM.

97 posted on 01/28/2012 9:21:43 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Salvation

Yes, and your point?


98 posted on 01/28/2012 9:22:35 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: crosshairs

Some people convert because of feelings. They usually don’t last long wherever they are members of a church.

I’m not talking about feelings here — I’m talking about the quest for true knowledge.

As one continues to study the Bible and study other sources such as the Early Church Fathers it becomes quite evident that all these men who knew Christ personally or were taught by someone who knew Christ personally are parlayers of the REAL TRUTH.

Catholics do believe that Christ died for our sins. However, “Many are called, and few are chosen.”

Keep studying — it’s not about feelings. It’s about Knowing that I have a personal relationship with Christ.


99 posted on 01/28/2012 9:22:35 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It can’t be done!


100 posted on 01/28/2012 9:26:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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