Posted on 01/27/2012 8:11:10 PM PST by Colofornian
After wondering aloud yesterday whether the Romneys converted Mitt's dead father-in-law to Mormonism...Yes. They did.
Edward Davies, Ann Romney's father, was an atheist who was also strongly anti-religion. By the time he died, he was the only member of Ann Romney's immediate family to not convert to Mormonism.
Fourteen months later, in 1993, he was baptized in a special ceremony at a Salt Lake City church. This practice requires a living person who has already been baptized to undergo the immersion in water again on behalf of the dead. No word on who this person might have been in Davies' case.
Information on the ceremony was listed on a genealogical database, and another entry on Ancestry.com detailed a separate sealing ceremony that linked Davies to his wife in death...
Baptism of the dead is encouraged by the Church of Latter-day Saints, as it is seen as essential to salvation. But the LDS Church has been criticized for it often. After coming under fire in 1995, the Church agreed to stop baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims posthumously. It had already added tens of thousands to its baptism registry by that time.
Romney's faith has done little to damage his quest for the presidency so far. But the issue pops up once in a while, most recently after Romney's tax returns showed a $4.1 million donation to the Church. There's also evidence to suggest that anti-Mormon sentiment could have given votes to Newt Gingrich in South Carolina.
When Newsweek asked Romney whether he had performed any proxy baptisms in the past, Romney responded "I have in my life, but I haven't recently."
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
The LDS church operates thousands of Family History Centers, as well as an excellent free website, for the purpose of finding records to identify your ancestors. They are used by Mormons to identify deceased non-Mormon ancestors for baptism. Non-Mormons are welcome to use these services, without any pressure to convert to Mormonism. Any genealogy buffs are familiar with (and grateful for) these services.
Anyone else think it would be an absolute hoot to drop a jar of Folger’s crystals into the baptismal tank at the local Mormon church/Planned Parenthood of Massachusetts clinic (I hear they’re finally going to officially merge once Romney moves into the White House)?
It is an attempt for the living to offer the dead the opportunity to salvation as a Mormon. It offers hope for the living that their deceased relatives will be able to enter Heaven as a baptized Morman - nothing more.
Got a problem with it? Are you one of my idiot relatives?
Retread?
Does not matter what the Mormon Mit and his cultists did, Ann Romney’s father is still in Hell because he rejected the Lord Jesus Christ in this life: John 3:16 - 18; 1 John 5:10 - 12.
Oh how sad for you that you are from a family of idiots when you are just a moron.
Baptism for the dead is unBiblical.
Yes. I do. Mormonism is insane.
I’m surprised, when Gingrich mentioned a lunar colony, that Romney didn’t jump at the chance to finally explore for himself whether or not there really are 1,000 year-old Quakers living on the moon.
Romney honestly believes he is going to be a god, just like God in heaven, having celestial sex with Ann for eternity and fathering spirit babies who will populate his own personal planet of people who will worship him. And people have the gall to claim Gingrich is the narcisistic one!
Most people, if you walked up out of the blue and told them that, would conclude that the you had a severe form of delusional psychosis. But you put him in a $3,000 suit and somehow it becomes okay. And this guy wants to run our government. No thanks.
It would be nice if there were an opportunity to change your mind in hell, but the Bible gives no indication that this will be possible. Hebrews 9:27 says we are all "destined to die once, and after that to face judgment."
Another passage that seems to shut the door to a "second chance" is a parable Jesus told in Luke 16:19-31. The parable was about a rich man who died and went to hell. In his agony, the rich man looked up to heaven and cried out for mercy. In response to his cries, the man was told a chasm separated heaven and hell—a chasm that could never be crossed.
As hard as it is to hear, eternal separation from God is the punishment for people who don't accept Christ as Lord and Savior. But please understand that it's not God's desire for anyone to spend eternity in hell. As it says in 2 Peter 3:9, "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/advice/goodadvice/24.14.html
Kid how can some old guy who died when he was 90 be said to “have died without ever having had the opportunity to receive baptism” ???
Thats 90 years of opportunity...
Didya ever think that just maybe he wasnt interested ???
Well, no. You can't convert a dead guy. Sorry.
Two things that really bug me about their service is so much of the information is incorrect and unless you are mormon you can’t get them to correct it
And they list Jesus Christ as having three wives or one wife or two wives depending on the entry.
Exactly and well-put.
Inject Romney's Mormonistic worldviews -- minus the title "Mormonism" -- into any other candidate and that candidate is world-renowned as the "lunatic."
Slap the "Mormonism" title on it and it all gets waved a pass by most.
To save money on the moon colony maybe President Gingrich could just hire these moon Quakers.
LOL! FR post of the day.
Huffington Puffington had a story about this practice 2 days ago and how the baptisms of Jews who died in the Holocaust might not sit well with Florida voters.
Amazingly both Anne Frank and Adolph Hitler are among the individuals who have purportedly received proxy baptisms in the LDS Church.
This man died an athiest and did not repent. He denied God his entire life so what makes these people believe that God knew him when he died? Denial of God or His Son is MORTAL.
You have to be alive and willing to accept God and his Son Jesus Christ. There has to be repentance on behalf of the sinner, not a proxy. Only the living can be baptized. What good is it after the soul has already been judged.
NO they don't.
The article even points out how Mormonism's dead-dunking of Jewish holocaust victims gave them a repeated drubbing both in the news media at-large as well as among holocaust victims' families and the Jewish community at-large.
Mormon leaders agreed to stop doing that.
Now here's the BILLION-$ question NOBODY -- and I mean NOBODY -- has been asking:
IF...
...baptizing dead people is indeed "salvific" for their souls -- as poster Macquire said in post #17: ("Those who practice this rite view baptism as an indispensable requirement to enter the Kingdom of God...")...
...and SINCE...
...the Mormon church is now steadfastly refusing to baptize Jewish holocaust victims [+ there may be a reluctance to dead-dunk Jewish deceased people in general]...
...THEN...
...please tell us...
...what's the difference between the Mormon policy that kept blacks out of their priesthood in 1978...
...and the Mormon policy that keeps Jews (at least some Jews) out of their temple baptism pools (by proxy)???
Aren't both examples of utter Mormon racism?
If Mormon baptism for the dead was in any way, shape or form efficacious for the benefactors, shouldn't that trump Mormon PRism????
Bottom-line: When Mormon PRism -- in all practicality -- winds up trumping Mormon theology...
...When you know that Mormon leaders can toss its theology -- and the literal supposed "salvation" of so many -- right out the window...
...So much for that theology being of ANY value whatsoever!!!
(It's either that or the Mormon gods openly discriminate vs. Jews...just like they discriminate vs. never-married Mormon people and won't allow them to live with Heavenly Father forever, either!)
Well, not per Mitt Romney he doesn't.
And not per the Mormon "prophet" and Mormon "apostles" who would be able to pull the puppet strings of a Mormon POTUS.
Baptize your dead! Baptize your dead! Baptize your dead!
Here’s one
Nine pence.
I’m not dead!
What?
Nothing — here’s your nine pence.
Oh good, more Atheists in the WH. Great for our Christian nation—not.
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