I’m about to tackle the issue of the testing of the angels by God mentioned by Fr. Fortea a few posts ago, and to search for Scriptural clues about it, and reflect on the consequences of the failure by some of the angels to rise to the test.Posted on 01/25/2012 10:45:09 AM PST by Teófilo
Brethren, Peace and Good to all of you in Jesus our Lord and Savior.
I’m about to tackle the issue of the testing of the angels by God mentioned by Fr. Fortea a few posts ago, and to search for Scriptural clues about it, and reflect on the consequences of the failure by some of the angels to rise to the test.
Why does God test his creatures?
Speaking about this test is difficult because the Scriptural data is sparse and can only be surmised by what’s explicitly stated in Scripture by secondary reasoning.
We know from Scripture that God tests his rational creatures:
Fr. Jack Peterson, of the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia (USA) said it well in this piece he wrote on The Catholic Herald:
The truth is that God is not afraid to test our faith and our love for Him. It is important to realize that the test flows from His love for us. God tests our faith sometimes for our good and the good of others. The test makes our faith real and personal. Love is not truly love until it has been tested in fire. Faith is not really faith until it has been tested as well. The test purifies our faith of selfishness and pride; it deepens our radical trust in His goodness and divine providence. The test prepares us for other crosses that we will face down the road in our roles as believer, parent, priest/consecrated or lay leader…
…St. Paul, who knew a thing or two about being tested, teaches us something that is very comforting about God’s work in our lives. St. Paul reminds us that God never tests us beyond our ability. In his first letter to the Corinthians, Paul states: “God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it” (1 Cor 10:13). Sometimes it is only by God’s grace that we can endure certain trials and crosses. Sometimes it seems like we can’t hang on any more, especially if we rely only on our own powers, and we are tempted to give up. We should take courage in the knowledge that God will always provide. He will always offer us the grace needed to “endure it.”
It follows also that the Lord will never test us for our perdition in mind, but to strengthen our faith. Via the analogy of faith we can provisionally state the following:
Human beings are rational creatures bearing God’s image,
therefore God tested them;
Angels are also rational creatures bearing God’s image,
therefore God tested them too.
The failure of the test entails a failure of both human and angelic character, as both the man and the angels who sinned responded to the test with a reaffirmation of their own autonomous wills over and against the holiness of God. At that moment, sin entered both the human and angelic nature, as explained by Fr. Fortea before.
The nature of the test given to the angels
The Church, in her official teaching, has been very circumspect about the nature of the test of the angels. Let us start with the words of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I highlighted the portion of interest:
391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268
392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God.
395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature - to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275
Following official Church teaching, Fr. Fortea himself does not speculate about the nature of the test itself, limiting himself to explain the fact and the need of the angels’ primeval test, without speaking about what the test may have been.
Nevertheless, other recognized theologians have indeed attempted to reach some likely conclusion by analogical reasoning. These theologians were the Scottish Franciscan Blessed John Duns Scotus (c. 1265-1308) and the Spanish Jesuit Francisco Suárez (1548-1617). The Catholic Encyclopedia summarizes the teachings of these theologians regarding the nature of the angelic test, some of which I highlighted because I thought specially relevant to our discussion:
Although nothing definite can be known as to the precise nature of the probation of the angels and the manner in which many of them fell, many theologians have conjectured, with some show of probability, that the mystery of the Divine Incarnation was revealed to them, that they saw that a nature lower than their own was to be hypostatically united to the Person of God the Son, and that all the hierarchy of heaven must bow in adoration before the majesty of the Incarnate Word; and this, it is supposed, was the occasion of the pride of Lucifer (cf. Suarez, De Angelis, lib. VII, xiii). As might be expected, the advocates of this view seek support in certain passages of Scripture, notably in the words of the Psalmist as they are cited in the Epistle to the Hebrews: "And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he saith: And let all the angels of God adore Him" (Hebrews 1:6; Psalm 96:7). And if the twelfth chapter of the Apocalypse may be taken to refer, at least in a secondary sense, to the original fall of the angels, it may seem somewhat significant that it opens with the vision of the Woman and her Child. But this interpretation is by no means certain, for the text in Hebrews 1, may be referred to the second coming of Christ, and much the same may be said of the passage in the Apocalypse.
It would seem that this account of the trial of the angels is more in accordance with what is known as the Scotist doctrine on the motives of the Incarnation than with the Thomist view, that the Incarnation was occasioned by the sin of our first parents. For since the sin itself was committed at the instigation of Satan, it presupposes the fall of the angels. How, then, could Satan's probation consist in the fore-knowledge of that which would, ex hypothesi, only come to pass in the event of his fall? In the same way it would seem that the aforesaid theory is incompatible with another opinion held by some old theologians, to wit, that men were created to fill up the gaps in the ranks of the angels. For this again supposes that if no angels had sinned no men would have been made, and in consequence there would have been no union of the Divine Person with a nature lower than the angels.
As might be expected from the attention they had bestowed on the question of the intellectual powers of the angels, the medieval theologians had much to say on the time of their probation. The angelic mind was conceived of as acting instantaneously, not, like the mind of man, passing by discursive reasoning from premises to conclusions. It was pure intelligence as distinguished from reason. Hence it would seem that there was no need of any extended trial. And in fact we find St. Thomas and Scotus discussing the question whether the whole course might not have been accomplished in the first instant in which the angels were created. The Angelic Doctor argues that the Fall could not have taken place in the first instant. And it certainly seems that if the creature came into being in the very act of sinning the sin itself might be said to come from the Creator. But this argument, together with many others, is answered with his accustomed acuteness by Scotus, who maintains the abstract possibility of sin in the first instant. But whether possible or not, it is agreed that this is not what actually happened. For the authority of the passages in Isaiah and Ezekiel, which were generally accepted as referring to the fall of Lucifer, might well suffice to show that for at least one instant he had existed in a state of innocence and brightness. To modern readers the notion that the sin was committed in the second instant of creation may seem scarcely less incredible than the possibility of a fall in the very first. But this may be partly due to the fact that we are really thinking of human modes of knowledge, and fail to take into account the Scholastic conception of angelic cognition. For a being who was capable of seeing many things at once, a single instant might be equivalent to the longer period needed by slowly-moving mortals.
This dispute, as to the time taken by the probation and fall of Satan, has a purely speculative interest. But the corresponding question as to the rapidity of the sentence and punishment is in some ways a more important matter. There can indeed be no doubt that Satan and his rebel angels were very speedily punished for their rebellion. This would seem to be sufficiently indicated in some of the texts which are understood to refer to the fall of the angels. It might be inferred, moreover, from the swiftness with which punishment followed on the offense in the case of our first parents, although man's mind moves more slowly than that of the angels, and he had more excuse in his own weakness and in the power of his tempter. It was partly for this reason, indeed, that man found mercy, whereas there was no redemption for the angels. For, as St. Peter says, "God spared not the angels that sinned" (2 Peter 2:4). This, it may be observed, is asserted universally, indicating that all who fell suffered punishment. For these and other reasons theologians very commonly teach that the doom and punishment followed in the next instant after the offense, and many go so far as to say there was no possibility of repentance. But here it will be well to bear in mind the distinction drawn between revealed doctrine, which comes with authority, and theological speculation, which to a great extent rests on reasoning. No one who is really familiar with the medieval masters, with their wide differences, their independence, their bold speculation, is likely to confuse the two together. But in these days there is some danger that we may lose sight of the distinction.
The author of the Encyclopedia’s article added this warning that is also relevant to our discussion, and which this your servant humbly acknowledges:
It is true that, when it fulfils certain definite conditions, the agreement of theologians may serve as a sure testimony to revealed doctrine, and some of their thoughts and even their very words have been adopted by the Church in her definitions of dogma. But at the same time these masters of theological thought freely put forward many more or less plausible opinions, which come to us with reasoning rather than authority, and must needs stand or fall with the arguments by which they are supported. In this way we may find that many of them may agree in holding that the angels who sinned had no possibility of repentance. But it may be that it is a matter of argument, that each one holds it for a reason of his own and denies the validity of the arguments adduced by others.
The sparse nature of the data in Scripture and Tradition may guide our reasons only so far, but even then we can profit from this “extended” kind of teaching extrapolated analogically from the data. We will see the final answers at the end of time. However, as we’ll see later, I believe that there are Scriptural “pointers” validating these provisional conclusions, as well as evidence drawn from the sad history of humanity. In the meantime let’s keep in mind our provisional conclusion:
The primeval test of the angels consisted in this: there were shown the eventual Incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity and the angels who rebelled did so, in fact, because they objected to adore God hypostatically united in the person of a being lower than themselves.
This brings us to an unspoken consequence, that the Incarnation of the Word was to take place regardless of the possibility of the Fall of Man, as God’s ultimate, loving union with His creation. This is where the medieval stumbled in what we recognize today as temporal paradoxes and multiple futures, thanks to the advances in relativity and quantum mechanics. Another unspoken consequence seems to be that moral choice “create universes.” But we’ll talk about those speculations later because they primary conclusion we reach, and one that is echoed in Scripture (Colossians 1: 13-20) about Christ:
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love,
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins;
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.
17And he is before all, and by him all things consist.
The Franciscans of the Immaculate Conception explain it better in this video, aptly titled the Test of the Angel. From them you will learn that the incarnation of God was the ultimate purpose of creation.
Evidence of secondary probative value
To this humble theologian, private revelations have a remote, relative, and secondary value. That’s because I’ve studied many private revelations, or the purported private revelations of some recognized mystics – like those of Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich, for instance – and these visions seem to me more like manifestations of a seer’s psyche and his of her understanding of a theological truth or problem, than a direct insight into the reality contemplated. Or, they may have been granted such direct insight but their concepts, words, and resulting story-telling fail to express the reality they contemplated and that’s why many times these narratives are reminiscent of the language of dreams. That’s why the Church warns us about the limits of private revelations.
Nevertheless, with the Church’s warning in mind we proceed with caution to this private revelation allegedly granted to Blessed María de Ágreda (1602-1665) and found in Volume One of The Mystical City of God, the Divine History and Life of the Virgin Mother of God. Whether one agrees that these were in fact special, private revelations or the intuitions of a gifted, highly contemplative mind, I believe her explanation of the nature of the test of the angels is of value and relevant to our discussion. According to Blessed María, the test of the angels was threefold in nature. The highlights are mine:
• For the first test, "they [the angels] received a more explicit intelligence of the being of God, one in substance, triune in person, and they were commanded to adore and reverence Him as their Creator and highest Lord, infinite in His essence and attributes." All obeyed the command, most with perfect charity and joy, but Lucifer obeyed because "the opposite seemed to him impossible," and his pride dimmed the original perfection of his nature. He owed his existence to someone infinitely greater than he. Even so, Lucifer passed the test. He obeyed.
• In the second test, God informed the angels that He would create beings lower than themselves, men with immortal spiritual souls infused into material bodies formed from the dust of the earth. "In order that they too should love, fear, and reverence God...the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity was to become incarnate and assume their nature, raising it to the hypostatic union and to divine Personality." Then God commanded the angels to acknowledge the incarnate Word of God as both God and man, and to adore Him as God-man, infusing the angels with knowledge that it was both just and reasonable for man to be elevated above them in this way. Most angels were overjoyed that God's love could raise such lowly creatures to such an exalted status, and gratefully obeyed the command. - But Lucifer, in his pride, rebelled against this command. He argued that, since both angels and men were created beings, it should be an angel -- i.e., himself -- who became incarnate, angels being higher than men. It was beneath the "dignity" of God to so lower Himself by joining the Word of God to such an inferior part of His creation in this way. Lucifer disguised his pride by feigning concern for God's omnipotence. He was able to infect many other angels with this attitude, offering, as a temptation, to make angels masters over men and leading mankind to God.
• The third test cemented this rebellion among the angels. God revealed that His Son would become incarnate man by being born of a woman, just as all men are born of women. The angels were ordered to revere this woman as superior to them -- as "Queen and Mistress of all the creatures," angels and men -- for God was to be clothed with her flesh in her body, making her the Mother of God. Assembling the angels, Lucifer retorted, "Unjust are these commands and injury is done to my greatness; this human nature which Thou, Lord, lookest upon with so much love and which Thou favorest so highly, I will persecute and destroy. To this end I will direct all my power and all my aspirations. And this Woman, Mother of the Word, I will hurl from the position in which Thou has proposed to place her, and at my hands the plan, which Thou settest up, shall come to naught." (Source: Professor Terence Hughes, “The Primeval Struggle”, New Oxford Review (July-August 2009), pp. 42-45, as published in Mr. Phil Blosser’s blog, Musings of a Pertinacious Papist).
Note how Blessed María de Ágreda’s alleged vision captures the essence of Suarez’s argument expounded before. As the theologians noted, the fallen angels’ sin was ultimate one of pride a pretension to the effect that if God can become man, then an angel can become God. Yet not in the order of nature – for the even the angels were too intelligence to know the impossibility of becoming God – but indirectly by persuading the lower creation to render unto them the glory and power due to God alone, by “replacing” God in the hearts and minds of the lower created beings, that is, humans.
The war in heaven referred to in Revelation 9 and explained by Fr. Fortea in multiple phases may have consisted on an escalating debate, starting in argument and ending in rebellion about God’s eventual incarnation in the sub-angelic world, the test being one aimed at the angel’s spiritual self-identity, and the election to serve or not to serve God under those inferior circumstances. The consequences of the rebellion have been vast, multifaceted, and clearly evident in the human history.
I am to conclude here because this post is already too long. In a future post, I will discuss the consequences of the primeval rebellion and which Scripture data may support this view of the test of the angels and the failure of the fallen angels to pass the test.
I don’t.
How would you go about proving to someone that your sins have been forgiven, or that you’ve been saved?
Re #51: Very good! Thanks.
—Because it’s one of the things I enjoy doing on FR.—
Entertainment purposes only? I’m skeptical. Why should I believe you?
—How would you go about proving to someone that your sins have been forgiven, or that you’ve been saved?—
By pointing to the data.
I have no idea why you should care. Apparently you do though. Gotta go.
Excellent try, later.
The first reference to the devil in Genesis is found in Genesis 1:2 the rebellion. The Bible only names one entity by name that has already been judge for ‘death’ on judgment day the devil, and he knows his time is short. There are a numbered of his disciples called fallen angels, that will ‘die’ upon the return of Christ. This bunch is referred to as the Sons of God in one place Genesis 6, the book of Jude gives more information. Among other prophets.
Just a thought, God may know the outcome, but did not deny the angels of using their free will...just as he does not deny us the use of free will. What we do with that will God gave us determines what we will become...We have a choice, just as scripture says**** I put before you this day life and death that you may choose, choose life(paraphrasing)
Even though we are not to tempt God, he does tell us to put him to the test as a prophet of old did with dew and the skin of a lamb...
To those that think they have a special calling from God, perhaps to be a prophet they should put God to the test to make sure its coming from God and not our own minds and desires..Just a thought......GG
Do you have scriptural evidence to back up this statement?
I asked ..did God know that Lucifer would “fail” that Adam would fail” before hand?
We are not told 'what' specifically God knew. Lucifer did not 'fail', he rebelled. Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28:12 discusses the most in depth of the origin of 'Lucifer', what position he held and what he did that caused him to be sentenced to 'death'.
I 'believe' there was a contingency plan already established IF 'the' Adam succumbed to the deception of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil also called the serpent.
At some future point all 'rebels' against the Creator will no longer exist. The Creator sent an instruction manual penned by the elected prophets of His choosing, as to what is 'required' to pass this test to live for eternity. Messing with or around the cheap imitation also call the devil is NOT going to be rewarded with an eternal living. There really will be a time when all the trouble makers are gone.
Since God created us all to love Him and this a free gift requiring a free decision for us to accept-the test is our free will decision to love God and others more than ourselves in various situations throughout our lives.It;s not that God moves people to test us but rather God knowing all in one now all human and angelic interaction,thus, God knows what our free will decision will be within one NOW since God is not bound by time and can not be moved.
All of this testing verifies God’s love is not forced and the importance of God giving us and the angels free will
The mistake so many people make is not understanding how God see’s everything in one now and our concept of time here on earth is very different.
An old friend explained this to me in this way ...
Imagine a very large mountain. Now picture many hundreds of people standing around this mountain. Now, each of these people represent a person doing something in one month of time. Each person is representative of a particular month and year. So you would have 12 people representative of “year 1”, and so forth. Now, these people. They are facing another person of the “past” months and years. They cannot face into the “future” months and years. This is how we see time. We can look at ourselves (present) OR the past time that has gone by. Now God. Let’s say God has a bird’s eye view above this mountain. He looks down at all of these people. His “view” takes in ALL of the people. He is able to see “Jan, year 1”, all the way to the last month and year, say “Mar 2079”. Thus, God’s view of time is all-encompassing. He sees all time as one present event. Also, He is not subject to it. He can “reach down” into the “people”, the “times”, and give them help or gifts. God is accessible to ALL times, since He can reach every person surrounding the mountain at any “time” He desires - while time is not moving forward for us.
With this analogy, it becomes a bit easier to see how God is able to reach into various points of time - while also viewing thousands of years later during the “same instant”. With this in mind, there is no past or future. To God, all is one PRESENT. One NOW. As He does things “within time”, time isn’t changing, for Him. Those people still represent the same month and date - thus, no time changed. He is able to effect any point of time - while viewing how man or time will change - by looking at a “future” month and year.
Does that help?
Any other explanation I have heard is our view of God on a time line. For example, saying that one day to God is 1000 years to us. It is a human way of saying that God’s “time” is not our “time”. But it doesn’t explain how God is unchanging. IF God’s time WAS “one day” to our “one thousand years”, literally, then God WOULD change! The above is the best way to try to explain how God is unchanging and is able to see ALL time simultaneously
ok thanks
Time is an island in the sea of God’s eternity.
Talmudic scholars and Catholic (and Orthodox) Christians share one thing in common: we understand that Revelation transcends the Written Word but that the key to understanding and explaining the Written Word was transmitted orally through various vehicles. We Christians differ with Talmudic scholars as to the source, contents, and purpose of this "key".
In other words, I'm not beholden to sola scriptura. Holy Scripture, as holy and valuable (and Sacrmental!) as it is, is not the sole rule of faith and morals for Christians. Not even Scripture attests to that. Nor do I think that Holy Scripture is a collection of propositional truths - although it does contain a number of propositional truths - to which theological research must be beholden to. Such a restriction was the Reformers' invention and I reject their rubric.
However, I respect your choice of abiding by their judgment. I'm not interested in getting into an extended discussion on the demerits of sola scriptura for others have done a better job at that than I.
I understand that a strict adhesion to sola scriptura will keep you away from a deeper Catholic exegesis of the Word because it chunks the Word of its interpretative key as known and handed down by the Apostles, Fathers, and Doctors of the Church. I'll have to leave it at that.
+JMJ,
-Theo
Yes.
Did God know that the lead angel would be cast down to the earth?
Yes.
Did God know that the angel would tempt man and man would fail ?
Does one need to give a “test” when you already know who will pass and who will fail? Why??
Again, I repeat, the test is not for the examiner's benefit, but for the examinee's. The matter is akin to that of an old, wise professor who knows, by long experience and by direct knowledge, which student is likely to fail the final and which student will not. He administers the exam anyway, for the student needs to measure his or her knowledge against that imparted by the professor in class.
I hope the analogy serves. If not, then this is the best I can do. Your answer lies elsewhere.
+JMJ,
-Theo
A fair question. There is no explicit verse of Scripture asserting this, but I don't consider this lack as an absolute limit or prohibition for theological inquiry. As I explained to another Freeper, In other words, I'm not beholden to sola scriptura. Holy Scripture, as holy and valuable (and Sacrmental!) as it is, is not the sole rule of faith and morals for Christians. Not even Scripture attests to that. Nor do I think that Holy Scripture is a collection of propositional truths - although it does contain a number of propositional truths - to which theological research must be beholden to. Such a restriction was the Reformers' invention and I reject their rubric.
The statement about the angels' being also created in God's image and likeness derives from what we know about human nature itself, through an analogy of faith.
1. God is a personal being, that is, He has an intellect and a will (actually, He *is* both intellect and will, but I digress)
2. God created personal beings who are also gifted with intellects and wills.
3. Angels are personal beings gifted with intellects and wills;
4. Human beings are personal beings gifted with intellects and wills;
5. Therefore, angels and humans bear that image and likeness of God manifested in their respective natures, in that they are personal beings with intellects and wills.
There is also an argument that we may call "argument by default." It goes like this: God created angels as personal beings gifted with intelligence and will before He made material creation. Which other "model" was available for God to create the angels except Himself? Therefore, God created angelic nature in accordance to his own image and likeness.
One objection that I can foresee is that we might have to constrain the statement "image and likeness" to "likeness" alone. That is to say that God created the angels in his likeness but not in His image, as God imprinted His "iconic image" in man in attention to the Incarnation of the Word in time.
This would be a restriction more in accord with the Scriptural data I would be happy to admit. :-)
+JMJ,
-Theo
God also tested Himself with the temptations of the wilderness and certainly in the Garden.
God in human flesh did not exempt Himself from tests, yes.
-Theo
The Reformers have their own views but I can do no better than Christ when he said, “It is written”.
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