Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches

>>Honestly, I nearly stopped reading as soon as I saw Nimrod.<<

I’ll bet you did. Catholics don’t dare study the evil he started. They would recognize so much of it within the teaching, symbols and rituals of the CC.

>>BTW, I don’t think you meant to say that Noah started the Babylonian empire.<<

How in the world could you have gotten that from my post? It was Nimrod, Noah’s great grandson who did. Surely you knew that. Not?

>>We look to the Bible as our blueprint, our plan to follow but it does not have the answer to everything that arises. Oh, the answers are there, but not always explicitly.<<

I don’t suppose the following passage and others like it mean nothing to Catholics.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

>>And, so again, we have the protestant saying that 2,000 years after the fact<<

Catholics using that line is so lame. Nimrod was completely contrary to God only two generations after the faithful Noah. That length of time nonsense is futile, it means only that because of that fake “tradition” ruse that the RCC uses has had that much time to drift from truth. I could compare Luther to Noah and it would make more sense.

>>That is not true, there were reasons the Bibles were protected and why the laity could not read it for themselves.<<

Yeah right. And the RCC has been an upstanding organization protecting the citizens all that time. The true history of the RCC is ugly and certainly not Christ like.

>>yet anyone reading the CC will see hundreds of references to Scripture. IOW, look at these Scriptures and see the truth for yourself, we have nothing to hide.<<

Yeah, like the woman of Revelation is Mary. No way anyone who truly understands scripture and prophecy would ever make that claim because it’s totally false. Another one would be that the Queens of the Old Testament Kings were their mother which is again false.

The RCC is closer to the whore of Revelation than the church that is the body of Christ.

“What is Mary worship? “

OH OH OH LET ME TAKE THAT QUESTION!!!

Mary worship is the delusion that non Catholics, esp baptist have of members of the Catholic church. I have no idea where they get this crazy notion considering they don’t practice the faith but they love to spread around this gossip. Being that I am an ex baptist I know this for a fact heard it all the time from baptists. Now that I am a Catholic I know the truth. It was just another one of the lie of the devil’s spread by so called christians.

Go back and read your post in which you say that within two generations Noah was the most evil of men and started the Babylonian empire. I know it was a mistake in your haste to get down the anti Catholic diatribe.

Again, again and again, Nimrod’s example is important because he was inauthentic. Not real, a fake, an imposter.

Jesus and His mother are the true King and Queen Mother and the worship of Catholics is true worship of the King and veneration of His mother.

I know well the passages you gave. They support exactly what I said, that the Bible contains what we need to know the truth, but it does not contain everything.

And, I note, as usual, the quotes given ignore that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth.

Protestants don’t like that passage and never, ever quote it.

The true history of the Church is ugly? We don’t agree on that obviously, though I do admit that there were ugly things done by sinful people. Please, feel free to point out to me all the perfect “churches of one”.

Again, what you write is your opinion of what Scripture means, especially since your opinion has been formed by the opinions of others. No one, not a one, comes to an understanding of Scripture on their own. What we do is read Scripture in light of what we have learned from others and either accept or reject it.

Mary as the woman in Revelation is but one of the layers of meaning within Scripture. I accept that you reject that, but I reject that you are an infallible source of Scripture interpretation, or know all there is to know about it.

>> Two generations later ~~Noah~~ Nimrod was the most evil man in the world and started the Babylonian empire which is even used as an example of the total opposition to God at the end of the world.<<

Oooops. You were right. Corrected above. I didn’t even notice that. No wonder you were confused. Sorry bout that.

Actually, I wasn’t confused, I knew what you meant:)

>>Jesus and His mother are the true King and Queen Mother and the worship of Catholics is true worship of the King and veneration of His mother.<<

Nonesense. Not once did Jesus or any of the apostles indicate anything even near that. Besides, the queen is always the Kings wife if he is married.

>>And, I note, as usual, the quotes given ignore that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth.<<

Pillar and bulwark = upholder of truth already established in scripture. The CC has fallen terribly from that task.

>>No one, not a one, comes to an understanding of Scripture on their own.<<

Do you understand at all the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

The CC has fallen terribly from that task.

Merely your opinion, CB. The Church’s understanding of Scripture differs from yours in some areas, but if you try to claim that you know better or are correct, you make the same claim for yourself that you reject of the Church.

Do you understand at all the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?

I most certainly do. I also understand that there isn’t a person alive who has read Scripture in a vacuum without anyone else to lead them or without ever having read or talked to others about it.

>>Merely your opinion, CB.<<

Yeah, right. That’s why I’m the only non Catholic there is any more. LOL

>>Do you understand at all the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
I most certainly do.<<

Please explain it to me. Be specific.

>>Merely your opinion, CB.<<

Yeah, right. That’s why I’m the only non Catholic there is any more. LOL

I never said it wasn’t an opinion shared by many, many others who are just as wrong as you.

I will give you an example of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit from my own life.

When I finally answered the calls from God that I had been having and ignoring for a while, I still wasn’t sure what faith was or where to find it. I just knew that I wanted a relationship with God and wanted to teach my children about Him and His Son.

I flirted a little with different groups as my circle of friends included Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Pentecostal Evangelicals, Presbyterians and Baptists. No Catholics that I knew of, and my husband was a lot like you.

A trip to my home town for my grandmother’s funeral found me in the church of my youth. Now, I had been to all these other places with friends and had been reading the Bible on my own, a kind of feeling out and exploring.

Well, dear CB, being there in that Church felt more like home than anything I have felt, ever. I was confused. I had not even considered a return to the Church.

I returned home, and like Mary, pondered quietly in my heart all that I had seen and heard and felt there. I knew my husband would be resistant to the Catholic church, so I kept my thoughts to myself.

I prayed, studied and read whatever I could get my hands on and finally, I knew I had to go to another Mass, one that wasn’t my beloved grandmother’s funeral. I though maybe I was just overcome with emotions of sadness and the comfort I found at that Church was from that and not from anything else.

So, here I am, back at Mass, not sure of anything. I prayed to God to show me that I was in the right place and doing the right thing. I cried as I did. My desire was sincere and my doubts just as sincere.

As I exited the church, there in front of me was a huge window with a picture of our Lady and the words, Ave Maria.

My grandmother sang that song at every midnight Mass in my childhood. Looking at that, I could so clearly hear her singing it from the choir loft, beautiful and soaring.

Now, dear CB, I had lived down the street from that church for 21 years before that day and had never set foot in it.
I knew when I saw that, that God was telling me that I was in the right place.

I went home and told my husband that I was going to the Catholic church and I was having the kids baptized and taking them with me every week. He looked at me and said, “Okay, I know you have been searching and if that is where God has led you, then that is where you should go.”

After that the Holy Spirit placed in my path people of deep faith and great knowledge who have been such dear guides to me. I cannot tell you the joy and happiness I find there or the good things I am a part of there.

The Holy Spirit is a comforter, a consoler, a teacher and guide and an advocate. For over eleven years now He has been all of those things for me. He comforted me so that I knew I was right to return to the Church. He consoled me when I lost people dear to me because of it. He taught me how to find the truth and guided me to that truth when I need His guidance. And He was my advocate with my husband. First when my husband readily accepted my return to church and then when I needed him to agree to a marriage in the church so that I could receive the Eucharist.

>>My grandmother sang that song at every midnight Mass in my childhood. Looking at that, I could so clearly hear her singing it from the choir loft, beautiful and soaring.<<

Familiarity and emotional ties to the past are not the Holy Spirit.

>>As I exited the church, there in front of me was a huge window with a picture of our Lady and the words, Ave Maria.<<

I can assure you that did not come from the Holy Spirit. The devotion to Mary is contradictory to what Jesus spoke. Mary is definitely not the “queen of heaven” and by Jesus own words is not to be considered more blessed than any other believer.

The Holy Spirit does not lead you to any error and the simple fact that you attribute the thing with the image of Mary is indication that the entire story was not from the Holy Spirit.

As usual. One person’s opinion and the assurance that what has happened to me was not of the Holy spirit is an assurance that may give you comfort as you reject what I wrote as false, but I know differently.

*****attribute the thing with the image of Mary****

No where did I say that, but as usual without reading and understanding it, I am not surprised you jumped to the wrong conclusion and overlooked huge portions of what I wrote.

I said that I returned home and prayed and studied because I was thoughtful that it was sentimentality that I was feeling and not a true feeling of being where I belonged.

I wrestled with it as I prayed and studied and went to Mass just to see if that feeling was there in a strange church, and it was.

The relevance to seeing the image of the Blessed Mother, Ave Maria was only because I had prayed that God show me if what I was doing was what He wanted me to do.

That image was that sign. I had never seen it before, had no idea it was there and it would be important to me only because of my memories of my Nan-na singing that song.

I know this will not change your opinion of what happened, but reject it for what I said and not for what you think I said. I know what’s what and I know what the Holy Spirit has done for me in my faith and in my life since I opened my heart to Him. That is enough for me.

If you wish to debate and discuss about this thread, please do so here—not in FR mail.

Thanks