Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches

It’s so simple.

God made salvation so easy.

Man makes it complicated.

God is not looking for reasons to reject us but rather to accept us.

That’s right, Jesus, God, who changed the names of men whom He had chosen for specific mission, changed Simon’s name to rock cause he was such a hard head.

Do you or anyone here have anything new to offer?

It’s all like a record with a scratch that keeps playing the same thing over and over and over.

Tell me, CB, how do you respond to those who claim that ALL of Christianity, that’s right all the beliefs held in common by Christians are purloined, warmed over, pagan beliefs about pagan gods?

New year, same old same old.

Did Mary bear in her womb, the Word Incarnate, Jesus who is the salvation of all? Except through her, the Word Incarnate is not born and there is no acceptable sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins.

It seems as though God did indeed entrust everything to her when He overshadowed her and conceived His Son within her.

Try actually reading the words you post objectively without that knee jerking thing protestants always do.

Every Marian doctrine begins and ends with Jesus.

She is who she is because her son, Jesus, is who He is.

>> Do you or anyone here have anything new to offer?<<

Absolutely not. What Jesus and the Apostles said needs nothing new. God’s word is forever and adding anything new to it like the Catholics did is anathema. >>Tell me, CB, how do you respond to those who claim that ALL of Christianity, that’s right all the beliefs held in common by Christians are purloined, warmed over, pagan beliefs about pagan gods?<<

I feel sorry for them as I do the Catholics who have added pagan practices that God called abominations. I don’t respond to those who have no belief in Jesus but I do with Catholics because they have strayed from the simple gospel of Jesus. Just as John recorded in Revelation to the churches the admonition that they have “left their first love” I admonish Catholics to leave the CC who has added the “doctrines of men”.

"God is not looking for reasons to reject us but rather to accept us."

"...but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)
"Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein." (Luke 18:17)

"...but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

And praise God for His unfathomable mercy and grace.

Yes, there will be loss of rewards in heaven for those who are not faithful, but heaven isn't the reward itself.

God would rather have us with Him than not and I think He gives us more latitude than any of us give each other. Or even ourselves.

That's a father's heart.

Hey Mad Dawg! Relax, in 4 or 5 years the same story will get posted. Glaring errors just don’t get the vitriol pumping, you know.

We should all remember threads like this when the evil designs of the satanic one world religion the Pope is always plotting get brought up. He’s such a bungler. If only he wouldn’t sign off on such things...I mean how easy would it be just to state everyone belongs to the Church?!! Yeesh. Little German guy is like a mitre-wearing monkey wrench.

Freegards, Jesuit agent #2535626ghg out

LOL!

Dominican codename Delta George out!

Feel sorry?

Not buying it, more like feeling superior and like patting one’s own back.

Over and over the protestants here are disputed with Scripture and writings of first, second and third generation Christians and still we have to see this garbage.

Again you cop out. AGAIN.

What say you when ALL of Christianity is accused of pagan roots? ALL of it, the Virgin Birth, the Death, the Resurrection. ALL of it linked to these similar tales from pagan religions.

Oh, that’s right, nothing. Because is doesn’t fit into the broken record that is the general responses to anything Catholic. Pope? Pagan Sacraments? Pagan Apostolic Succession? Whatever. Not in Scripture

And Catholics are accused of not thinking or having been brainwashed.

The sanctimony and self righteousness all while bashing and bleating about the Church.

By something new, I mean do any of the protestants here ever respond to anything directly? No, it is always the same thing.

Sorry, CB. Just had my fill.

You can call it what you like, but you can’t take a simplistic reading of the text to give it an anti-Catholic twist.

Rome had a large Jewish population, so they are the primary target of St. Paul in Romans.

The Gentiles might not have been bound by the 613 commmandments like the Jews, but they were still bound by Jesus’s summary of the law found in Matthew 22:34-40.
http://doulomen.tripod.com/sermons/Matt22_34-40.htm

“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And [Jesus] said to him, “’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love you neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

I stand by my contention that St. Paul was taking a crack at Jewish legalism that substituted the spirit of the law for the letter of the law.

This is what Jews see when they read Romans as the Jewish Encyclopedia observes.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1585-antinomianism

Faith means faithfulness. It’s not a simply an intellectual exercise.

I don’t accept your hermeneutic about a purely extrinsic righteousness that God confers on the believer through Jesus.

All of the early Christian writers point to a fundamental transformation of the believer from the inside out that stands opposed to Protestantism’s legalistic reading of Romans and the rest of St. Paul’s writings.

“Dad”

Luke 11:27

"A (certain) mother of the company exclaims, `Blessed is the womb that bare Thee, and the paps which Thou hast sucked; 'but the Lord said, "Yea, rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

He replied to that exclamation, designating those as more "blessed who hear the word of God."

Luke 8:19-21 Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.

And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

"That's a father's heart."

"Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein" (Luke 18:17)

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." (Romans 8:15)

"Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him" (Malachi 3:16)

"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." (Luke 12:32)

"God would rather have us with Him than not and I think He gives us more latitude than any of us give each other. Or even ourselves"

Dear sister...."A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver." (Proverbs 25:11)

What I wonder is whether or not you are aware that Consensus Patrum is myth.....Catholic Church cannot even state they follow Consensus Fidelas either since much of what passes as dogma today was unheard of in the first few centuries after Christianity began and "developed" over time

Sounds like you're getting information from wacky carm ministry type of sites?This is no myth,dear bb, The Consensus patrum is seen in Iconography and hymnography quite clearly on things such as the dormation of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Mary,The Mother of God and many other teachings within the consensus patrum and was proclaimed as dogma at councils

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Here is oldest Hymn we have for Mary ,The Mother of God

The Oldest Hymn To the Theotokos

The oldest prayer we know of dedicated to the Virgin Mary is known as "Beneath thy compassion" (Greek: Ὑπὸ τὴν σὴν εὐσπλαγχνίαν; Latin: Sub tuum praesidium). The earliest text of this hymn was found in a Coptic Christmas liturgy of the third century. It is written in Greek and dates to approximately 250 A.D. It is used in the Coptic liturgy to this day, as well as in the Orthodox, Ambrosian, and Latin liturgies.

For Orthodox, the hymn is sung as the last dismissal hymn of daily Vespers during Great Lent.

The entire hymn in Greek reads:

Ὑπὸ τὴν σὴν εὐσπλαγχνίαν,
καταφεύγομεν, Θεοτόκε.
Τὰς ἡμῶν ἱκεσίας,
μὴ παρίδῃς ἐν περιστάσει,
ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ κινδύνων λύτρωσαι ἡμᾶς,
μόνη Ἁγνή, μόνη εὐλογημένη.

In English:

Beneath thy compassion,
We take refuge, O Mother of God:
do not despise our petitions in time of trouble,
but rescue us from dangers,
only pure one, only blessed one.

Sorry kid the Pope can stick it.

>>Again you cop out.<<

It’s no cop out Jvette. I’ll just leave you with this. You mention the generations after the apostles as a source of information for beliefs. I’ll point you to the decedents of Noah as an example. Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah. Noah followed God and was chosen as the only person with his family to save from total destruction. Two generations later Noah was the most evil man in the world and started the Babylonian empire which is even used as an example of the total opposition to God at the end of the world.

If you think that quoting the generations after the apostles passed impresses anyone I would suggest you look at how far man can fall from true worship and belief in the example of Noah and Nimrod in just two generations. Why do you think Paul commended the Bereans for “searching the scripture daily to see if these things are true” even with things Paul was teaching? Relying on those “oral traditions” the RCC likes to promote as truth is not only dangerous but it is deadly. Not only doesn’t the CC advise to “search the scriptures daily to see if these things are true” it actually for many, many years kept the scriptures out of the hands of the lay people. It was when the printing press was invented that they could no longer maintain that control and the dissemination of the word of God brought to light the deceit they had been perpetrating all those years was brought to light.

Catholics like to point to the length of time the CC has been in existence and try to claim that Protestants must think that there were no true Christians until Luther. I would simply, once again, point to the example of Noah. He and his family were the only family true to God in the entire world at that time. The false claim of Catholics that they were the only Christians since the apostles is belied by the example of Noah and his family.

The AP writer evidently didn't read the actual 2007 document, which states "these separated churches and Communities ...are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation."

The only way you could make it into the anti-Protestant document the AP claims it is, is by deleting the "neither," "nor," and "not," thus making it the exact opposite of what the statement actually said.

It would be a welcome gesture, Rnmomof7, if you could relay this useful information to brothers and sisters who have been needlessly offended.

Thank you.

For that matter, error was creeping into the early church from the get go.

Paul referred to it in several of his epistles.

Generations before error crept in?

No. Probably days since the last thing the enemy of men's souls wants is people to hear the truth.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Seems like a reasonable and responsible thing to do, especially since the error was repeated in the first post and a ping list was used in the second post of this thread.

Freegards

Honestly, I nearly stopped reading as soon as I saw Nimrod.
I know he has a special place in the heart of the anti Catholic. BTW, I don’t think you meant to say that Noah started the Babylonian empire.

There is a huge difference between the promises and covenant of the OT and that of the NT.

Jesus made a promise that He has kept. He gave the authority He had to the Apostles, but just as we know that all of the Church’s history is not recorded in the NT, we also know that all of the heresies and conditions which arose are also not.

We look to the Bible as our blueprint, our plan to follow but it does not have the answer to everything that arises. Oh, the answers are there, but not always explicitly.

And, so again, we have the protestant saying that 2,000 years after the fact, they have a better handle on the Church and Scripture than those closest to the Apostles and the writing of those Scriptures.

****Not only doesn’t the CC advise to “search the scriptures daily to see if these things are true” it actually for many, many years kept the scriptures out of the hands of the lay people****

See, it’s exactly that hackneyed garbage I am just fed up with reading. That is not true, there were reasons the Bibles were protected and why the laity could not read it for themselves. But, still, here we have it. The Church chained the Bible and kept it away so that it could fool the laity. NOT TRUE, but still regurgitated ad nauseaum.

You say the CC does not say to “search the Scriptures daily, yet anyone reading the CC will see hundreds of references to Scripture. IOW, look at these Scriptures and see the truth for yourself, we have nothing to hide. The CC is a reference book, a laying out of the Church’s understanding of the faith and the life of the faithful.

Just as the Ten Commandments are a list of what not to do, the Beatitudes are a list of how to be. That is what we have in the Bible and in the catechism. The catechism is a complement to the Bible, a commentary on it and it does include the writings of Christians, because it is a commentary and it shows the development of the beliefs through the centuries.

Whatever, ignore the fact that there are those who believe YOU believe in a faith founded in paganism, which takes for itself the ancient pagan myths. Even the flood story of Noah has a correlating pagan myth.

So, yes, when you throw out the same old same old over and over mindlessly, then it is a cop out.