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Church came first. Read the Dadace (The teachings of the apostles)
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**I needed to humble myself and come into union with the Church that produced the New Testament, and let her guide me into a proper understanding of Holy Scripture. After carefully exploring various church bodies, I finally realized that, contrary to the beliefs of many modern Christians, the Church which produced the Bible is not dead.**
And the truth becomes apparent.
Check the introductions to the books of the New Testament. They will usually have the authorship date along with lots of other information about the writing of that Gospel, letter, etc.
A gentile can come to God through the deeds of Messiah Ben Joseph by becoming adopted into the family of Israel. The Jews will have their eyes opened by Messiah Ben David.
A Jew cannot convert to a Christian, they can only become a Jew that understands who the Messiah is and was in history. They become a completed Jew. Not a Messianic Jew.
It is all so mixed up and strange, Jews who are wannabe gentiles who all trying to be wannabe Jews who are getting adopted into the family. Just how can a full blood soen be adopted by his Father? He can be repatriated, with the family, but never adopted! Only a Gentile could be adopted. A Jew, "converting" to Christianity is a full blood son, trying to be a non family member so he can be adopted back in. Seriously twisted logic...
How about you all just be who you are and trust God and the Messiah and their plan?
A Jew “converting” is like someone trading their inheritance for a bowl of soup. Judah, Jacob and his sons will be saved in the end by the Messiah and those who cling to them. So, the Christians are Clingons...
I know, I know, pick me pick me, It was the Church Founded in 330 AD by Jesus, the Bible didn’t come along till the councils of Rome 387, Hippo 393, and Carthage 397.
Book of Acts explains it pretty much. People just gathered when news of a letter from Paul or another Apostle came and was read and discussed. The first gathering was at the house of Dorcas. Now look at the corporations of churchianity.
Church came first. New Testament wasnt put together until the 300s
Much reading doeth make one mad
or What was the purpose of the Ekklesia ? Was it a temporal corporation to rule on earth ? No ! Was it to have a temporal head ? No ! It was a gathering of YHvH's chosen people to hear His Word ? and learn to Fear YHvH all their days ? And to teach their children the same ? Yes. ------------- Ekklesia is from the Hebrew Qahal (kop, hey, lamed) How does YHvH define "church" i.e.Ekklesia ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Is it all those called out by YHvH ?
A study of the word "church", in the Koine Greek : Ekklesia.
Was the "church" started at the YHvH commanded
Feast day of Shavuot (pentecost) as some say ?
Did the "church" exist earlier ?
Using the LXX as a guide we see that the Ekklesia
is first used in Deuteronomy 4:10 NAsbU Deuteronomy 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH, your God
Also see : Deu 4:10, Deu 9:10, Deu 18:16, Deu 23:3, Deu 23:4, Deu 23:9, Deu 31:30,
at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let
them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on
the earth, and that they may teach their children.'
Jos 9:2, Jda 20.2, Jda 21:5, Jda 21:8, Jdg 20:2 Jdg 21:5, Jdg 21:8, 1 Sa 17:47,
1 Sa 19:20, 1 Ki 8:14, 1 Ki 8:22, 1 Ki 8:55, 1 Ki 8:65, 1 Ch 13:2, 1 Ch 13:4, 1 Ch 28:2,
1 Ch 28:8
which is haQahal The assembly (hey, kop, hey, lamed)
In scripture it is always used to describe
those who have been assembled by YHvH.
It begins in Exodus 16:3 ( the bread from heaven )
and continues to Nehemiah 8:17 (living in Booths) NAsbU Nehemiah 8:17
Shabbat Shalom !
The entire assembly of those who had returned from
the captivity made booths and lived in them.
The sons of Israel had indeed not done so
from the days of Joshua(Yehoshua)
the son of Nun to that day.
And there was great rejoicing.
Generally a good article. The problem most Protestants need to deal with after Luther appeared on the scene is, Where was the Church of Christ before 1520 or thereabouts? It was there at the time of the Apostles, but did it then just vanish for a millennium and a half?
Anglicans and some others talk about the “Church Invisible,” but it’s a kind of a vague, mystical idea.
So, that pretty much makes it either the Orthodox Church or the Catholic Church. Which of them split off from the other? If you go by the numbers, then it was the Orthodox Church that split off in the Great Schism.
My conclusion, when I decided that the Anglican Church didn’t qualify as the one, true, universal Church of Christ, was that it was the Catholic Church that shows the obvious signs of having been the Church Universal since its founding by Christ.
The church with its Apostles came first. The Apostles wrote the NT, or their close associates did, all under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
2,000 years later, the correct question would be, “Will the church LISTEN to scripture, or blow it off?”
Because what I think you are really trying to say is that the church you are part of gets to rule over scripture. But scripture is “God-breathed”, which sounds a bit more immediate to me than the status of a pope.
Accuser of the Brethren Ping
The next thing this article will try to convince me is that Jews didn’t arrive until after the Church.
Joh 1:1-5
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The ekklesia is not an institution, yet The Church as used in the essay is conflated wholely with the ekklesia, blurring into obscurum the distinction between Salvation and faithful living among a body of fellow believers.
There are other subtle conflations, but It's too late and my sore tooth demands I address the common tonight.
Since the “Assembly of the Saints” is filled with the “Elect” of God, and The “Elect” are chosen by God to have faith to believe in the Son, and since it is impossible to please God without faith, and “By faith Abraham...”, and “by faith Isaac..” etc, I would argue that the Church, or as Galatians notes, “the Israel of God”, was started by Christ at the beginning, and the first “member” was the first one “elected” that believed in the promise of Genesis 3:15.
The approach of this article is the same as most enemies of Christ.
Instead of being humble to God and relying on what He provides, abiding by His direct authority, and intaking the bread of life He gives, they seek to paint the access to Him as being through third party worldly intermediaries.
It assumes a believer must judge God in order for God to be justifiable in how He is approached.
Why not instead just remain faithful to Him through faith in Christ and let God handle how the believer is sanctified.
Belief is His good work in us, not our work to win His approbation.