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To: rzman21

The next thing this article will try to convince me is that Jews didn’t arrive until after the Church.

Joh 1:1-5
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


48 posted on 12/30/2011 8:33:52 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...

You posted Joh 1:1-5 which was what came to my mind as I just read the title of this thread. I scanned over a few posts and see that either people are 1) the author of the article is misleading us, or is misled in understanding what the Word truly is or 2)missing the point of the article and arguing about whether the resurrection was before the Word of God was not written down.

The heart of every true believer should know that the Word is Christ and that the Word is not just a bunch of letters on a page. It is the Truth about who God is and who we are. It is eternal unchanging Truth. And that Word became flesh and dwelt among us. And then died for our sins because we are all sinners.

So either the author doesn't really understand that the Word of God IS Christ Jesus, or he is just making a straw man argument to say that the written down words didn't come into existence until someone wrote them down. (No matter how you define the church - it wasn't written down until someone wrote it down). And the only reason the only reason for someone to make a lengthy straw man argument is to cause divisions and not build up the body in Christ Jesus. Even a small child knows that something can't be written down until there is someone to write it down. Or, in going to great lenghts to "prove" that what is written down must come after those who write it down, makes the author look just plain silly, as well as those who with great energy jump on the bandwagon. Silliness. Like writing an article to say that the sun had to exist before we see sunlight or feel the warmth of the sun.

So, in this event - author FAIL. Even by lack of belief, by just plain silliness or trying to stir up trouble by writing a rather lengthy straw man argument.

The TRUE Word of God is Christ. The Amplified bible says it well: (and I added vs 14)
IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. He was present originally with God. All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being. In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men. And the Light shines on in the darkness, for the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it]...The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. .

105 posted on 12/31/2011 6:10:05 AM PST by lupie
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