Posted on 12/30/2011 7:07:29 PM PST by rzman21
So, by extension, you believe over half of the Catholic Church to have become virtual atheists and to have forgotten who God is?
>>I wasn’t merely talking about Catholics. The question was about social justice types.
But just because someone claims to be a Catholic doesn’t make him/her so. Many of them in the West have excommunicated themselves in their pursuit of pagan liberalism.
But I think there are more Catholics now in non-white and non-European parts of the world, and I wouldn’t include them in your assumption.
I know a few Catholic U. PhDs in scripture who are quite orthodox. They swear by the RSV Catholic edition.
I suspect an over 500 year old effort to get closer to the primitive Church can no longer be described as "novel," rzman.
The impurities that originally provoked that effort are well known, too.
Hmmm I guess that you are taking the liberal position of dealing from emotion rather than fact and using the liberal Alynsky tactics rather than the conservatives principals of facts and reason.
I will keep that in mind for future reference.
They read Paul’s letters and sang a few psalms and basically that was that. To come up with books on what to say and what to do and have a lineage of popes and cardinals and arch-bishops and bishops and priests plus all the pomp. Yeah, I’m sure that’s what Yashua had in mind for his flock. Now I know why He referred to us as sheep.
Indeed it was the very pomp (and all the circumstances that went with it) that led Christ to accuse the practitioners of being “whited sepulchres.”
To come up with books on what to say and what to do and have a lineage of popes and cardinals and arch-bishops and bishops and priests plus all the pomp
>>So what is so wrong with the external pomp? If you look at Jewish Temple worship, it was filled with the stuff.
Martin Luther said such things were things adiaphora, or things indifferent. They neither add nor take away. We shouldn’t worship God the way we go to the movie theater or visit the barbershop.
We give God our best just as the ancient Jews did. And our worship copies the worship in the Book of Revelation and in the Jewish Temple.
They read Paul’s letters and sang a few psalms and basically that was that.
>>Catholics still do. It’s called the Liturgy of the Hours. or the Horologion in the Eastern Church.
So why should the Church be legalistic about worshiping the way Christians did during times of persecution?
“Believe it or not — Anglicans, Lutherans, Prebyterians are all flocking to the Catholic Church because there are no women priests and the members of these denominations know that these sins against humanity mentioned above will not exist in the Catholic Church.”
I hope they find a church home there. Certainly, the mainstream protestant churches (not many of their members) have abandoned any pretense they are Christian qua institutions by spitting on unambiguous scripture. The exodus you describe is good evidence of the ongoing strength of Christianity in Christians, not institutions.
More important, I hope the folks joining your church find a direct, personal and ever growing relationship with their Savior that flowers into eternal life, drinking eternal springs of living water, on God’s new Earth. May the Lord bless and keep all those who confess his name with their tongues, believe in his Resurrection in their hearts, and spread the Good News.
What screen name were you known by before you came back to Freerepublic as rzman21? I ask because your methodology is very much like a n LDSinc apologist who self-identified as an Aspergers person. He too made long, self-aggrandizing posts and claimed to be a Christian of like mind with the Eastern Orthodoxy over the Roman Traditions. He too was unable to comprehend the reasons for why Once God’s Spirit comes into your dead human spirit, your spirit is alive forever more and God will in no wise leave you to defend your weak faith before the onslaught of demonic forces far superior to your efforts to hold onto your salvation. Delphi User was that previous poster’s screen name, a raving LDSinc apologist who relished stirring up division and creating faith flaws into which he would try to pour the demonic crap of Mormonism backed by his burning bosom testimony.
Exactly. It was the priests and the Temple that had Him mad against all that. On the cross when Yashua said “it is finished” He was talking about the Law. He fulfilled all that was necessary under the Law. We now had a direct line to G-d through Yashua.
It was all that that Yashua came to do away with. On the cross He said "it is finished" He had fulfilled all the requirements of the Law. We all now had a direct line to G-d through His Son Yashua. No longer any need for priests or Temple's.
I don't really see an "obsession" with private revelation" since most of the Catholics I know hold to the Biblical principle 2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.
What I have difficult time dealing with is those Catholics who go crazy for “social justice” stuff. While it is IMPORTANT to love one’s neighbor as Jesus commands, what troubles me is those Catholics who get into “social justice” stuff that comes very close too or is borderline “politics”.
Borderline? I think many of them are way over the borderline, way way over. When I was in the seminary one of my fellow students called pervasive progressive liberalism.
http://ziondetroit.org/index.php?page=conference
Don’t know any of them.
Mea maxima culpa should I offend your delicate sense of heirarchy because I refuse to look laterally, rather down and ask, "Father, forgive me, a sinner" ... and He does.
During election cycles, we get the obligatory Mormon threads, and America under attack gets the occasional Islam threads.
Catholics seem obsessed with promoting and argueing their positions continually, and those threads always ask or propose positions that non-Catholic believers could easily take a stand against.
I surmise the Catholics in Jim's living room love a fight .. a Crusade, if you will ... and I have learned over the years, non reaction angers you the most.
It is actually fun to watch your pseudo intellectualism (Gnostics still live!) deteriorate when debate always brings you to animosity against the non-Catholic.
Now, I was taught the word and meaning of Catholic meant universal ... but only, apparently, if one subscribes to Catholicism.
So then are you calling Catholicism demonic?
“You have to concede though, similar things were said about Revelation, Hebrews, Jude, James. So then did the Council of Trent get it wrong when it canonized these book in the New Testament that people like Luther and Tyndale said were not scripture?”
Neither Luther nor Tyndale rejected any of the New Testament books as scripture. Both translated and published the entire NT.
That is precisely the fallacy of the undistributed middle which Delphi User often tried to float in his divisive efforts. In trying that drek you expose yourself to have an agenda not near as pure as you’re trying to pretend. So, Have Nice Day
“Jesus didn’t attack the Pharisees for what they wore. He attacked them for what they did.”
Absolutely right. And I would add, He attacked them for what they did in the name of God. They used all the puffery of their position, the ever-evolving man-added requirements written into their rulebook, the methods and manner of their congregation, the religious acts done for an outward show, the air of superiority they assumed in their head knowledge of the scripture (without a “heart-knowledge” to go along with it). In short, He abhorred their assumption that all these things justified them in the eyes of God (and passed off as the truth of God, that men and women everywhere should do the same.) God hates such demonstrations because it takes away from the truth, the glory, and the power of His Son. “Let he who glories glory in the Lord!”
I do not advocate lutheranism, denominationalism, catholicism, or any other ism. I search the scriptures, which are able to make one wise unto salvation. There I find Christ. And I worship Him in Spirit and truth and in the beauty of holiness (as the scriptures dicatate.) My worship with other bible-believers does not need a cathedral, ornamentation, ostentation to please God. Worship is all about redeemed, sanctified, saved individuals agreeing with God about His Son. This is what pleases God.
“Jesus didn’t attack the Pharisees for what they wore. He attacked them for what they did.”
Absolutely right. And I would add, He attacked them for what they did in the name of God. They used all the puffery of their position, the ever-evolving man-added requirements written into their rulebook, the methods and manner of their congregation, the religious acts done for an outward show, the air of superiority they assumed in their head knowledge of the scripture (without a “heart-knowledge” to go along with it). In short, He abhorred their assumption that all these things justified them in the eyes of God (and passed off as the truth of God, that men and women everywhere should do the same.) God hates such demonstrations because it takes away from the truth, the glory, and the power of His Son. “Let he who glories glory in the Lord!”
I do not advocate lutheranism, denominationalism, catholicism, or any other ism. I search the scriptures, which are able to make one wise unto salvation. There I find Christ. And I worship Him in Spirit and truth and in the beauty of holiness (as the scriptures dicatate.) My worship with other bible-believers does not need a cathedral, ornamentation, ostentation to please God. Worship is all about redeemed, sanctified, saved individuals agreeing with God about His Son. This is what pleases God.
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