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What do you think of people in your own life that are unwilling to listen to criticism?
Mormon Coffee (Mormonism Research Ministry) ^ | Dec. 5, 2011 | Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 12/16/2011 2:20:09 PM PST by Colofornian

One of the oddest things about modern culture is the tendency to criticize others for the act of criticism.

Imagine a man sitting on the end of a tree branch. He looks around at others, telling them that they shouldn’t cut off their branches. Meanwhile, this man is sawing his own branch off. That is the image I have in mind when people criticize others for criticizing others, or judge others for judging others, or tell people not to believe in telling others what not to believe. It is very odd and confusing. It’s like watching people drive a car with their otherwise-working eyes… closed. Otherwise very intelligent people engage in this sort of self-refuting behavior. It seems to be an issue of spiritual blindness. “They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.” (Ephesians 4:18) It’s not just a Mormon thing, but a really weird human problem. We don’t like being criticized, so we criticize people for criticizing. We saw off the very branch we are sitting on.


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From the blog: One of the oddest things about modern culture is the tendency to criticize others for the act of criticism.

You know it's understandable if somebody doesn't like to see others criticized. But then they should stay out of the fray -- and not criticize the person giving the critique. 'Tis the same with those who go overboard on "tolerance." Hey, if they want to be ultra-tolerant, who's standing in their way? Yet if they aren't so tolerant of others' perceived "intolerance," then that's not very "tolerant"...is it?

From the blog: ...when people criticize others for criticizing others, or judge others for judging others, or tell people not to believe in telling others what not to believe. It is very odd and confusing. It’s like watching people drive a car with their otherwise-working eyes…closed. Otherwise very intelligent people engage in this sort of self-refuting behavior. It seems to be an issue of spiritual blindness.

'Tis a mark of the post-modernist society we live in. No consistency. And almost proud of it!

1 posted on 12/16/2011 2:20:25 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

My answer to the title question . . . their loss.


2 posted on 12/16/2011 2:21:15 PM PST by GOP Poet (Time for Bambi and his commie crew to go.)
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3 posted on 12/16/2011 2:24:42 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Colofornian

there are 2 types of critisismn? ( don’t know if this is spelled correctly ) they are constructive critisimn, and constant critisim... constructive critisism serves the purpose to build a person up, and help them grow.... constant critisism is a control mechanism..... libs use constant critisism... and this type is not only to be ignored, but challenged at every opportunity...


4 posted on 12/16/2011 2:30:24 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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I always felt that criticism can be successful in “how” it is delivered. If it is done with sweetness and true concern for the person, it can be viewed as helpful (not critical). If it is done with anger, name calling, guilt.... it makes the other person put up a barrier immediately. I had a Great-Aunt who would tell you a story about her life.... and the story somehow relates to something she hoped you would change about yourself. It was done so delicately and with such finesse.... you never got defensive.


5 posted on 12/16/2011 2:36:17 PM PST by momtothree
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To: Colofornian

Baseball bats seem to work...................


6 posted on 12/16/2011 2:37:12 PM PST by Red Badger (Every child should have a meadow to play in..............)
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To: GOP Poet

LOL. Great question for a site like this filled with people who love to give their opinions. I don’t criticize, I just show people the way to a better, happier life. If they don’t listen, its because they are either irrational or unenlightened.


7 posted on 12/16/2011 2:38:48 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Colofornian

I don’t believe in criticizing people.

I prefer to let the laws of nature and science do it for me.


8 posted on 12/16/2011 2:39:47 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Colofornian
Same concept applies to the rule of ‘tolerance’ which when demanded requires immediate obedience. Anything less is simply not....tolerated.
9 posted on 12/16/2011 2:40:36 PM PST by mad puppy (Spare me your line of crap...I'm voting for Newt.)
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To: joe fonebone
there are 2 types of critisismn? ( don’t know if this is spelled correctly ) they are constructive critisimn, and constant critisim... constructive critisism serves the purpose to build a person up, and help them grow.... constant critisism is a control mechanism..... libs use constant critisism... and this type is not only to be ignored, but challenged at every opportunity...

I disagree. Look @ the countless times Jesus criticizes the Pharisees...look at just Matthew, chapter 23...or John, chapter 8...three times in Matthew, chapter 6, after giving them the only compliment I can find (Matthew 5:20). And there's many other occasions as well.

IOW, Jesus engaged in "constant criticism" of the Pharisees and Teachers of the law. He afflicted the comfortable; and comforted the afflicted.

'Twas the people who considered themselves free of the need to be spiritually healed...
...that were the ones He had to drill below the skin...
...to convince them their diagnosis of the cancer of sin was more fatal than they believed.

Jesus wasn't a liberal; don't indirectly label Him one by your off-base criteria.

10 posted on 12/16/2011 2:53:04 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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dont mean to get off your specific topic, but whats worse than this is the growing trend of mature adults who when they error, in any way, how flawlessly turn it and find a way to blame you for it!!! I cannot believe how often this is happening...
11 posted on 12/16/2011 2:54:48 PM PST by sit-rep
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Are you suggesting that I am one of those people?

I'm sorry. I just don't want to hear that kind of thing.

12 posted on 12/16/2011 2:55:25 PM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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We don’t like being criticized, so we criticize people for criticizing. We saw off the very branch we are sitting on.

There's an assumption here that those doing the criticizing know what they're talking about. It's been my experience that those most willing to criticize others tend to be the least qualified to do so.
13 posted on 12/16/2011 2:55:30 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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What do I think of those who can't take criticism?

A lot of "those" who can't take criticism are Freepers.

So I call them Freepers.

14 posted on 12/16/2011 3:06:43 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: momtothree
I always felt that criticism can be successful in “how” it is delivered. If it is done with sweetness and true concern for the person, it can be viewed as helpful (not critical). If it is done with anger, name calling, guilt.... it makes the other person put up a barrier immediately.

For the most part, I agree. (see my caveat below)

The Bible cites the apostle Paul telling the Ephesians to "speak the truth in love."

My caveat/qualifier:

We can't "cookie cutter" people; I'd say most people need a greater context of love than others; whereas some need a greater context of tough love than others.

IOW, think of the parents of rebellious teens into substance abuse; curfew-breaking; etc.

Lovey-doveyness & sweetness isn't appropriate. Tough love is needed.

Think of a person who has dangerous health symptoms -- and loved ones around them know it -- but the unhealthy person wants to be in denial. After all the loving cajoling is done, and it's not working, some tough-love measures might be needed.

You mention "barriers" -- and yes, criticism can raise them; but you fail to mention all the "barriers" that are already up with people. Barriers of such import if they don't come down, they will lose their life physically, spiritually -- or both.

At one point, Jesus called the Pharisees illegitimate children of God -- children of the devil (John 8). Elsewhere, Jesus called them "sons of hell." Another point, He called them vipers and whitewashed tombstones. Jesus was tackling some prominent barriers there that were already up and needed to be addressed.

We really need to weigh already existing barriers more than we do.

15 posted on 12/16/2011 3:08:58 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Colofornian

I think that I don’t want to be like they are.


16 posted on 12/16/2011 3:10:34 PM PST by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than politicians, professors and preachers.)
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To: sit-rep
...the growing trend of mature adults who when they error, in any way, how flawlessly turn it and find a way to blame you for it!!! I cannot believe how often this is happening...

Growing? Probably.

It's LONG been a debate tactic (ad hominen -- attacks against the person).

Some people have less substance -- less frame of reference beyond themselves -- than ever before. Feelingsism. Their weapons in countering the issues are empty; but they've seen enough sit-coms to fill up several lifetimes with personal crits. And so they have at it.

17 posted on 12/16/2011 3:13:11 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Colofornian

We were taught to sandwich criticism between two things you were happy about. But I do think this title should be changed to, “What do you think of HUMANS?” and leave it at that. Hahah, always the hardest thing about life — humans.


18 posted on 12/16/2011 3:15:36 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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It comes from political correctness (cultural Marxism) to destroy the possibility of gaining knowledge and wisdom. Dialogue is ended by namecalling which increases disunity and divide and anger.

Dumb people believe anything, no matter how stupid. Schools brainwash and don’t teach anything to increase wisdom—and they destroy morality—virtue.

Non virtuous Republics can never have freedom. The Marxists have been destroying our culture by positing lies in education textbooks (Zinn, Billy Ayers) since the 30’s and destroying all obscenity laws in the 50’s and 60’s. The Marxists destroy our legal system and Just Law (no fault divorce) to help destroy marriage which will destroy the children—create insecure, easily managed people OR very angry men like the blacks in prison.....easy to manipulate and control like the NAZI homosexual Brownshirts. Degraded people have no morality and can easily kill and mutilate people.

The Marxists are creating their “army” that Machiavelli writes about that is absolutely necessary to grab power. They are useful idiots—who can’t think logically.


19 posted on 12/16/2011 3:16:50 PM PST by savagesusie
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We were taught to sandwich criticism between two things you were happy about.

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I have heard that referred to as a poop sandwich. Which makes me chuckle every time I read the method you mentioned. It is, and has been, taught as a method of giving feedback in the workplace, but not so much anymore.


20 posted on 12/16/2011 4:35:56 PM PST by dmz
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