Posted on 12/01/2011 1:55:07 PM PST by Colofornian
...They gather twice each year...
Evangelical Christians and Mormons.
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"Our meetings are extremely cordial," said Dr. Robert L. Millet, former dean of Religious Education at BYU...
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'Is Mormonism Christian?' is a very important question," writes Matt Slick of...Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. "The answer is equally important and simple. No. Mormonism is not Christian.
"If you are a Mormon," Slick adds, "please realize that CARM is not trying to attack you, your character or the sincerity of your belief." For a variety of reasons that Slick explains in his paper, "the Mormon is not Christian — in spite of all his claims that he is Christian."
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Millet indicates that...three major issues...separate Mormons from evangelical Christians..."
1. Latter-day Saints believe God has a physical body, and is in fact an exalted man. "Evangelical Christians find this belief to be strange at best and blasphemous at worst," Millet said. "They feel that it shortens the distance between creator and creature. They feel the chasm between God and man is an infinite, uncross-able chasm...They feel that Joseph Smith bridged a chasm that one should not even presume to bridge..."
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2. "...the doctrine of the Trinity places us outside the realm of historical Christianity [Slick of CARM... According to Millet..."We're outside the realm of historical Christianity..."
3. Latter-day Saints believe in additional scripture. "The problem here is that evangelical Christians have a strong feeling about the sufficiency of the Bible," Millet explained. "They view the Bible as the infallible, sufficient, final word of God. They believe that our claim to additional scripture is prima facie evidence of our rejection of the Bible, or our feeling that it is somehow deficient. They say we have a low view of the Bible, whereas they have a high view of the Bible..."
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
Don’t go down the “add or subtract” argument. It is full of holes. That statement in revelation refers to THE Book Of Revelation. The bible is a collection of BOOKS.
I think that one of the main reasons for the non-acceptance of the Mormon baptism is the fact that you have to accept Joseph Smith and declare that the Mormon church is the one true church. In that statement Mormons extract themselves from the body of the christian church which does not reside in a building.
That's all you've got? An ad hominem?
If Christ isn’t God then it’s not Christian. Mormons are simply lying when they call themselves “Christian”.
The LDS religion(?) was invented by a grifter-conman named Joseph Smith, Jr. He was a fortune-finder with magic stones and bilked people out of thousands of dollars before he hit on this conjured “religion.”
In his lifetime, he embezzled hundreds of thousands of dollars from various people and banks throughout the states of New York, Ohio, etc. He was run out of these states with the law close behind.
He was an adulterer, married to as many as 43 women, some of whom were barely teenagers (making him a pedophile).
There is nothing nice about this grifter’s life that anyone with any common sense should place any belief in.
He is famous for inventing the planet Kolob, telling his “followers” that when they die, they’ll have to face not only Jesus, but Joseph Smith himself. He was constantly wrong with all of his prophecies (yet he’s revered as a prophet). He was grossly wrong with his silly insistence that the Indians were descendants of the Jews (DNA evidence has proven otherwise). He mentioned numerous Old World animals, plants, and tools that were used in abundance in the New World . . . all of which were wrong. He mentioned a huge, colossal war in Northern New York that had hundred of thousand victims killed, the evidence of which is absolutely nowhere to be found: no implements, no bones, no nothing.
This guy is a charlatan that somehow, someway has millions of people on their way to Hell if they don’t wise up. I know they have millions if not billions of dollars tied up with the LDS cult, but if they’d only use common sense instead of horrible history, they might be saved from the holy Hell that Smith has prepared for them. How very, very sad.
Bible: "Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10,11
Bible: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 2:5
There is only one God; and man will never become God. There is one God, not many Gods. Any so-called "prophet" (or angel from heaven) which teaches anything different is accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
Sometimes its like talking to people who live in Metropolis.
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Well even in the book of Revelation, I believe Joseph Smith added 59 words with his JST version.
(I've got the exact # & which words were added...can revisit this later...I think Elsie also has this info)
I agree. I just think there are plenty of arguments against the BOM without trying to use the few weak arguments that are easily shot down.
The first time I met with a Mormon family I asked them what they were as far as their faith went — the answer I got was “we’re Christians”. That was over 25 years ago, and I’ve never heard anyone in the LDS faith teach that we aren’t Christians.
I know we have some different doctrinal beliefs than other Christian denominations, but we believe in the same Jesus from the same Bible, so I think it’s a very fair and accurate appellation.
I’m speaking of the Eternal Jesus, the Only Begotten of the Father who was in the bosom of the Father and was with the Father from the beginning.
if lds are christian
then flds are mormons.
Yep
MT 7:22* Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23* And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
there was no greater worker of iniquity than joseph smith.
Norm that is not an honest statement and its been show to you time and again. The Jesus of the Bible always was and is God, not a created being formed from 'intelligences' between a man who progressed to godhood and one of his goddess wives. Jesus of the Bible never had to seek his own salvation as mormonism teaches.
Really norm, making such simplistic and unfounded claims only points to the intellectual dishonesty of mormon teachings.
What do you believe is the bottom line reason that mainstream Christianity will absolutely NOT accept Mormonism as Christian? I would honestly like to know your perception.
Is that an (Excerpt)?
I think that some won’t accept as valid any doctrinal position that falls outside an accepted orthodoxy. I know that I don’t believe in exactly the same doctrine as a Catholic, an Eastern Orthodox, a Southern Baptist, etc. — but I think it’s fair to consider us all Christians, since we believe in Christ as the central figure of our faiths.
Christ did speak of false teachers teaching false Christs. Is it your position that the Christ that mainstream Christianity worships is one of those false Christs?
If that is your position then what is the basis for those beliefs?
Christians believe that the Mormon Christ is a false Christ because Mormons describe Christ in very different terms and actions from that of the bible.
I am in no way trying to be offensive. So I hope that I am not coming across that way. I just want to understand the facts.
Hi, PF — not offended at all.
If someone believes in Jesus Christ as the Savior, I wouldn’t consider that believing in a false Christ at all, since Jesus is the only true Messiah.
Mormonism is an extreme example of where the same Radical Reformation ideas that gave birth to the Baptists lead to.
The Bible is not explicit about the relationship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to the Schema in Deuteronomy.
So in the absence of Tradition. Biblical anarchy is the end result of the whole idea of “scripture interpreting scripture,” but scripture doesn’t talk like a human being.
The same Anabaptist movement that modern Baptists claim as their antecedents included those who had views very similar to the Mormons.
http://www.reformed.org/sacramentology/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/sacramentology/lee/anab_004.html
Well; isn't that SPECIAL!
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