It appears the parishioners don't get it either...
Snarkey Ping ;-)
When will he come out and tell Catholics they can’t support abortion?
Pelosi, Kerry and others really want to know.
I was unaware of the Biblical principle of hand-holding during prayer. Please cite the chapter and verse that teaches us this Biblical principle.
I grew up in the Church during the 60’s and the first half of the 70’s. There was never hand holding during the Lord’s Prayer. Then when I returned to the Church in the 90’s, all of a sudden everyone was holding hands, and the people on the end of the aisle were putting their free hand up in the air like some sort of lightning rod. Much changed from 1974 to 1993. :)
What the bishop is saying is that the Lord’s Prayer is supposed to be directed to Our Father. It is not a kumbaya moment.
And I fail to see how you can suggest that prayerfully saying the Lord’s Prayer in church is not biblical.
Which "Biblical principles" mandate hand-holding in church?
Matthew 16:18 “..on this rock I build my church..”
Biblical pricipals are that the church has a head. Its first head was Peter. This “headship”, or papacy, was initiated by Jesus.
If you think I have misinterpreted the verse then Read Isaiah 22 and reexamine your opinion - especially with regard to the “keys” language in both Mt. 16:20 and Isaiah.
This is the diocese that paid Stan Chesley almost $100, 000, 000. 00 to go away and let them be.
Yep.
When I was 14 the nuns would tell me and my girlfriend to not hold hands during mass. We ignored them of course.
This only applies during Mass. In private prayer you can hold your hands and arms as you see fit.
I fail to see what posture, holding hands, or any other physical motion has to do with prayer. What difference does it make? And by what authority does the clergy dictate to the people their posture in prayer? Is there somewhere in the Bible that we are told to bow our heads? Or fold our hands? Or kneel? Or stand? Or lie face down on the floor?
Thanks be to God! This hand holding business is outside the norm and quite out of hand (pun). One wonders why there wasn’t a “duh” moment the first time someone grabbed your hand. The laity had no business starting it in the first place and why the priests have stood there watching it increase over the past ten years without correction I’m sure I don’t know. It is a jarring imposition on those who are in thoughtful prayer and adhering to the norm to have to be banged on the arm with some rube standing next to you, maybe stretching four feet down the pew to reach you, with their hand out. Mass has become an occasion for sin as those of us irritated by it are irritated and distracted from our proper recollection, and the goofs participating in the hand jive may well be too ignorant of Ruberics to even be attending Mass without a Ruberics refresher course to inform them of the difference between propriety and the bizarre.
God forbid the behavior, the dress, the lack of respect in postures our young have to witness. Our foolishness will be judged.
especially in flu and cold seasons, where everybody is coughing and sneezing..
Principals or principles?
Yes actually we are told to pray in the closet...and not be like the hypocrites.
I can’t believe that so far no one has mentioned the following:
“...and prayerful silence before and after Mass.”
When did it become permissible to chat with each other when in the presence of the Eucharist?
And what happened to genuflecting before entering the pew?