Posted on 11/22/2011 9:10:25 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.(Genesis 3:6)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:(Romans 5:12)
Responsibility for the fall of man is laid at the feet of Adam, the father of us all, not Eve. Never in all of the revelation of God, is she seen as being primarily the cause of the fall. Adam was the person God called out immediately after the transgression, not Eve. Eve was deceived by the serpent, not Adam. The commission was given to Adam to guard and keep the garden.
Therefore it is interesting that the narrative of the fall centers around the woman. The serpent approached the woman, accused God to her, and presented his arguments to her. We are told in verse 6 that Adam was there with her, but verse six is an account of her inner thoughts which led to the transgression.
Is this not a warning that one of the tell-tale marks of the serpent is to marginalize the man from his God assigned position of primal responsibility?
The modern feminist movement , is not really about femininity, but rather is about the repudiation of the God assigned gender roles, based upon hatred and envy of male status. Men too can be femnists, for it is a satanic philosophy, an expression of rebellion against God.
Femnism is actually the enemy of all that is truly feminine, the beauty of motherhood, tender nurture, fruitfulness, loving deference and submission for the greater good of the family, sacrifice of self for husband and children.
These are seen as impediments to the modern ideal woman, now ‘liberated’ by abortion, and easy divorce. But liberated from what? Love? Stable marriage? Fruitfulness?
When Adam passively allowed his wife to take the lead in the couple’s dealing with the serpent, by default he abdicated his high calling to keep and guard the garden of God. He had been given the Word, and the commission to have dominion ovr the earth, not Eve.
But through the Serpent, Eve became the priest. It was Eve who mediated the serpent’s false “Word”, and she who “ministered” to Adam the “sacrament”,(ie the forbidden fruit) . Adam perversely took part in the sinful rite which was supposed to “open their eyes” and make them wise, and to become “as gods”.
What we are seeing in the deliberate confusion of the gender roles today , even in the church, is the mark of Satanic influence. Motherhood, and being a wife have been repudiated, in favor of “careerism”. Female leadership in Home and church is a denial of the Divine order.
But wherever the confusion of gender is celebrated as a ‘liberating’ accomplishment, homosexuality is never far behind. Note that the mainstream churches who once vigorously debated the ordination of women, now have succumbed to the ordination of homosexuals.
The forbidden fruit was the knowledge of good and of Evil.
To “know Good and Evil” is to know everything, the whole spectrum of knowledge. In fact to be “as gods, knowing…” is to have the ability to decide for yourself what good and evil are, thus to liberate yourself from dependence upon God and his Word.
We can see that by the time Eve paused to look at the tree, the Word of God had already been rejected by both of them, for her whole perspective is based on an inward acceptance of the lie;
* And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food… Who said that the tree was good for food? Not God! Not the Word of God, as given to Adam. God said “that the day you eat of this tree…you will surely die…” . But Eve could see (from her own vantage point, that the tree was good).
*…and that it was pleasant to the eyes… In our vernacular, Eve thought, “It looks good to me…”.
I have no doubt that the tree was pleasant to the eyes, but what does that have to do with what God had said about it?
But Eve is already acting on the serpent’s promise that she and Adam could be “as gods, knowing good and evil” because she is deciding for herself what good and evil are. She had departed from the Word of God and was making her own judgments about the tree.
*…and a tree to be desired to make one wise, – But here is an indication that she really wasn’t entirely as independent in her thoughts as she imagined, For this thought was entirely influenced by the lie of the serpent who was the only source for the idea that eating of the forbidden tree would make her “wise”.
*…she took of the fruit thereof…and did eat… Ages of pain, sorrow, disappointment and suffering hung in the balance of those few seconds it took for her to think through the temptation, but, as we all know , she reached out and took it, (in rebellion against her maker).
She stretched out her hand, and took the fruit for her self,(self-improvement; it was the secret way to become wise!).
And she ate it.
It would be easy to assume that this is a story about Eve, because the scripture focuses on Eve’s thought processes,and on her sin. Adam’s fall is reported almost incidentally to Eve’s,
*…and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat…
But it was Adam’s fall that was the goal. When Adam himself received the fruit from his wife, and ate it, the fall of man occurred. That was the point at which death entered that all of the pain, sorrow, death, disappointment, terror, fear, hurt, disease, futility, in short everything we experience as a direct or indirect result of sin, came into the world.All of humanity was counted “in Adam” and fell “in Adam”.
*…and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat… We will be told later by the apostle Paul,
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.(I Cor 15:21-22)
Paul would further assert that the disobedience of Adam has had a universal effect on all of mankind, so pervasive that there is only one effective counter to the “One Offence” out of which all of human sin is but an outworking.
That would be the what Paul refers to as the ”obedience of the one” man, the last Adam, the second man, Jesus Christ the Lord.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.(Romans 5:18-19)
Or was it something other than an apple? Did God say to Adam and Eve that they would now know nakedness, and because of what Eve had done women would have to bare children in a painful way. Was this punishment for Eve actually introducing Adam to sex. God had said that he could give them anything that they desired [even children], but after the delicious apple was eaten God decided that child baring was the woman's painful punishment.
I believe it was a pomegranate. The rabbi’s use the pomegranate on the border of their garments. That must be a reason for doing so. Maybe some Jewish Freeper can give a clue on that one.
Parallel RSV 6: So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate.
NRSV 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.
Douay 6 And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat.
NAB 6 The woman saw that the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
KJV 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
WEB 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit of it, and ate; and she gave some to her husband with her, and he ate.
ESV 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
NASB 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
NIV 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
YOUNG 6 And the woman seeth that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat;
Greek 6: kousaV <191> (5660) {HAVING HEARD} de <1161> {BUT} hrwdhV <2264> {HEROD} o <3588> {THE} basileuV <935> {KING} etaracqh <5015> (5681) {HE WAS TROUBLED} kai <2532> {AND} pasa <3956> {ALL} ierosoluma <2414> {JERUSALEM} met <3326> {WITH} autou <846> {HIM} met authV <1473> {IT} kai <2532> {AND} efagon <2068> {THEY ATE}
Vulgate 6 vidit igitur mulier quod bonum esset lignum ad vescendum et pulchrum oculis aspectuque delectabile et tulit de fructu illius et comedit deditque viro suo qui comedit
ASV 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat; and she gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat.
Darby 6And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a pleasure for the eyes, and the tree was to be desired to give intelligence; and she took of its fruit, and ate, and gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
NKJV 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Other Related Passages
Romans 5 12: Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned --
Romans 5 13: sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Romans 5 14: Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Romans 5 15: But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Romans 5 16: And the free gift is not like the effect of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brings justification.
Romans 5 17: If, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Romans 5 18: Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.
Romans 5 19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous.
1 Timothy 2 14: and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
James 1 14: but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
James 1 15: Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.
1 John 2 16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
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Not that God was surprised. He had already told Adam what would happen when he ate of the fruit, not if.
That was weird. I was thinking the same exact thing and then I saw what you wrote. Yes. I wonder which.
another excellent article pastorbillrandles. Thank you.
It is apparent that sin is genetically passed down through the male. This is how Mary was able to be the mother of Jesus and not pass sin to him. That is also why Eve was called the mother of all living, life, apart from sin, was able to be passed down through her.
I have come to believe exactly that. It was sex, not an apple. Not literal. Question is, why is it worded the way it is? “You may eat of any tree in the garden but not the one in the midst of the graden you must not eat or your eyes will be opened” or something very close to that. All the “trees” in the garden they could have sex with except one?! Some say that trees stood for nations/races. What do you think?
Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
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Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
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The woman was to have more children. Her sorrow and her conception was multiplied. This shows us that Eve would have had children without the fall. She just would have had far less conceptions, who knows maybe one child every 1000 years. We don't know, but we do know that she would of conceived, just much less. It is implied that there may have been a small amount of sorrow or pain if the fall had not taken place because sorrow was multiplied. You cannot multiply zero.
So you see that child bearing would have happened if the fall had not happened, but would have been much less. The undesirable result of the fall was that she would have many more children, which would be hard on her. With all of those children she would also be very dependent on her husband for not only her survival but the survival of her children. She would also give birth with much greater pain. It was the increase in conception and pain that was her "punishment" not giving birth itself which would have happened even without the fall.
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Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Go on, destroy people's faith, make this generation the last to know of Christ. You are an Anti-Woman Barbarian! Such primativism!!! Check out Adam Hamilton's book “When Christians Get it Wrong” and “Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White.” Check out Sojourners magazine for legitimate Christianity.
Anti-Woman old men like you will be the end of Christianity. You need to become more emotionally liberated.
Christianity cannot reach the next generation with this type of vain posturing.
Your children will become Wiccans if they listen to this. Have you ever even thought about what you preach? You ARE trying to condemn people. (The idea of this post is, let us condemn women for the sins of Adam.)
You can only condemn somebody who is already contrite. If they are not contrite, then what are you doing? How can you expect to do anything other than repel people? How will you interest them in your rebuke? Are there any feminist listening to you, accepting your correction? Or will a feminist read you and become polarized against you?
I cannot believe that you could possibly believe this line of reasoning is fruitful. I am mortified.
You repel, you do not attract.
Now, stop making young people run away from Christ.
Didn’t God know exactly what was going to happen before He even created her?
? It’s not even apparent sin exists, it’s a belief.
“Was it really an apple?
Or was it something other than an apple?”
And where do you see any mention of an apple?
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