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Mormons worship a different jesus
Ogden Standard-Examiner ^
| Oct. 19, 2011
| Betsy Harvey
Posted on 10/29/2011 6:37:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
This is in response to "People should learn about Mormons before criticizing." This is absolutely true and I have done just that. I am a Christian and have many Mormon friends, family and neighbors that I choose to love in spite of our differences. Just because Jesus Christ's name is on the church doesn't mean it's the same Jesus I worship. Gordon B. Hinckley, on June 6, 1998, in Geneva, Switzerland had stated that Mormons do not believe in the traditional Christ. They believe that Jesus is our elder brother.
Brigham Young stated on Feb. 8,1857 that the god of "this" world had sexual relations with Mary and fathered Jesus.
Traditional Christians have been criticized for centuries for their beliefs, so Mormons must accept the fact that they worship a different Jesus. I suggest they read the Bible and see the difference. Read Isaiah 14:14. In this country we have religious freedom to believe in many gods, no god or Yahweh (the everlasting God).
Betsy Harvey
North Ogden
TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other non-Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: anotherjesus; inman; lds; mormon; worship
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To: Utah Binger
UB; do you have the little book?
121
posted on
10/29/2011 7:58:18 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Grunthor
Just one of three GODS...
122
posted on
10/29/2011 8:10:51 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Invincibly Ignorant
Where you been hangin’ out?
123
posted on
10/29/2011 8:12:44 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Elsie
124
posted on
10/29/2011 8:14:06 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Elsie
It's late and who knows when the others might read this thread; so I'll post what I've got...
The Rules
- Learn and obey all missionary rules.
- Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
- Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
- Don't debate or argue.
- Center your mind on your mission.
- Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
- Cut your hair regularly.
- Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
- Be neat and clean.
- Bathe frequently.
- Use deodorant.
- Polish your shoes.
- Iron your shirt and business suit.
- Arise at 6:30 A.M.
- Study for 2 hours every morning.
- Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
- Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
- Exercise regularly.
- Write in your journal regularly.
- Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
- Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
- Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
- Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
- Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
- Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
- Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
- End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
- Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
- Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
- Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
- Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
- Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
- Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
- Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
- Stay with your companion during all activities.
- Do not go on road trips.
- Do not leave your assigned area without permission
- Do not watch television.
- Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
- Do not listen to the radio.
- Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CDs.
- Do not participate in musical groups.
- Do not participate in athletic teams.
- Do not sponsor athletic teams.
- Do not engage in contact sports.
- Do not engage in water sports.
- Do not engage in winter sports.
- Do not engage in motorcycling.
- Do not engage in horseback riding.
- Do not engage in mountain climbing.
- Do not embark on a private boat.
- Do not embark in a private airplane.
- Do not handle firearms.
- Do not handle explosives.
- Do not swim.
- Do not play full court basketball.
- Do not play basketball in leagues.
- Do not play basketball in tournaments.
- You may play half-court basketball.
- Never be alone.
- Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
- Be loyal to your companion.
- Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesnt obey the rules.
- Pray with your companion every day.
- Study with your companion every day.
- Plan your work with your companion every day.
- Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
- Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
- Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
- Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
- Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
- Do not arise before your companion.
- Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
- Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
- Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
- Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
- Do not flirt.
- Do not date.
- Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
- Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
- Try to teach single investigators in a members home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
- Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
- Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
- Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
- Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
- Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
- Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
- Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
- Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
- Do not telephone parents
- Do not telephone relatives.
- Do not telephone friends.
- Do not telephone girlfriends.
- Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
- Take problems and questions to your mission president.
- Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
- Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
- Obey all mission rules.
- Obey the laws of the land.
- Do not get involved in politics.
- Do not get involved in commercial activities.
- Do not give any information about the area.
- Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
- Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
- Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
- Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
- Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
- Be courteous.
- Provide community service.
- Do not provide community service that isnt approved by your mission president.
- Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
- Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidaysthose are peek proselytizing times.
- Your mission president must approve your housing.
- Keep your housing unit clean.
- Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
- Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
- Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
- You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
- Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
- Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
- Maintain your health.
- Eat a healthy diet.
- Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
- Follow the approved exercise program.
- Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
- Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
- Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
- Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
- Be immunized.
- Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
- Budget your money carefully.
- Keep a record of what you spend.
- Do not spend more than your companion.
- Do not loan money.
- Do not borrow money.
- Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
- Pay your bills before leaving an area.
- Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
- Do not waste money on souvenirs.
- Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
- Be a frugal photographer.
- Do not accumulate excess baggage.
- Obey custom laws and regulations.
- Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
- Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
- Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
- Do not drive without a license.
- Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
- Do not drive members cars.
- Do not drive nonmembers cars.
- Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
- Use cars only on approved mission business.
- Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
- Be conscious of safety at all times.
- Drive defensively.
- Wear your seat belt.
- Pray for the Lords protection while driving.
- If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
- Do not tamper with the vehicles odometer.
- Know bicycle safety rules.
- Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
- Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
- Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
- Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
- Go directly to your new area when transferred.
- Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
- Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.
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posted on
10/29/2011 8:16:17 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Elsie
Where you been hangin out?Babysitting my 2-5 fantasy football team. Really time consuming. :-)
126
posted on
10/29/2011 8:17:44 PM PDT
by
Invincibly Ignorant
(Rush likes PerryÂ’s plan and so does Levin. Great plan from Perry. CainBots wonÂ’t like this.)
To: Colofornian
Where there anti-Mormon hate threads on FR before Romney’s 2008 campaign?
Will there be such hate threads after he drops out in 2012?
127
posted on
10/29/2011 8:28:49 PM PDT
by
Dagnabitt
(Newt. The Grownup in the Room.)
To: Dagnabitt
128
posted on
10/29/2011 8:30:43 PM PDT
by
Dagnabitt
(Newt. The Grownup in the Room.)
To: Dagnabitt
Mormons were often able to bash Christians & Christianity at will pre '07.
We occasionally gave a defense; and occasionally took the offensive.
In all these years, it's not just been Romney representing Mormons "in the news."
There was the Texas raid on fundamentalist Mormons in the Spring of '08. There was the 'Big Love' TV program. There's been the Mormon baptisms of dead Jews and others that's surfaced. Etc etc etc
Also, since you so loosely define opposition as "hate" -- I guess your "anti"ness of "antis" = "hatred" of us, eh? It's pretty obvious that you're an "anti-anti"; so tell us, what gives your "antiness" special status?
Do we go somewhere for a "license" to get opposition privileges exempt from charges of "hatred?"
129
posted on
10/29/2011 8:36:37 PM PDT
by
Colofornian
(When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
To: Invincibly Ignorant; Elsie
(Well, we’ve missed you, II)
130
posted on
10/29/2011 8:37:30 PM PDT
by
Colofornian
(When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
To: Colofornian
I suppose it’s a good thing the leading RINO in this primary isn’t Jewish.
131
posted on
10/29/2011 9:01:12 PM PDT
by
Dagnabitt
(Newt. The Grownup in the Room.)
To: Dagnabitt
I suppose its a good thing the leading RINO in this primary isnt Jewish.Why?
I've said repeatedly on threads the following:
You mean religionists might actually prefer having a POTUS in the White House who actually knows the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Why, how shocking!
Do we mean that if the Living God was called upon during a Jack Bauer-like crisis by a POTUS who actually is in a vital relationship with Him...that is problematic? What?
To hear some tell it, such a candidate would NEVER be preferred over voting for an atheist candidate on faith grounds!
Which in turn, would supposedly "weaken the religious foundation" of our country?
How does that make any sense?
Don't Jews call on the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
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posted on
10/29/2011 9:25:44 PM PDT
by
Colofornian
(When Lds cite 175 yo quotes, that's "spiritual" talk; when YOU cite 'em, LDS go 'calendar' on YOU)
To: Colofornian
Well if anti-Semitism is not one of your anti’s, fine. But the pollution of FR by threads like yours shows that the bar is pretty low around here for religious-based candidate opposition.
133
posted on
10/29/2011 10:30:39 PM PDT
by
Dagnabitt
(Newt. The Grownup in the Room.)
To: Dagnabitt
So, what's next from you, calling anyone opposed to mormonISM a hater of Mormons?
Here's the reality for you. Milt Rominy is a disgusting two-faced conman who speaks out of both sides of his lying mouth and who changes his position as easily as a chameleon changes colors. He is not a conservative nor is he trustworthy to be the president.
Now for the stuff hard for you defenders of mormonISM to understand. Milt Rominy is not only barry bassturd lite, he is the easiest nominee for the democrat's media machine to destory. Why is he so easily destroyed in the eyes of mderates and independents, the people we are told who determine the outcome of modern presidential elections? ... Because the meida can and will expose every blasphemy in mormonISM, every idiotic assertion by the founder and subsequent leadership of LDS inc, and Milt's high priest status (Melchizadek priesthood) will become a laughing stock world-wide with any who were not well versed in the vagaries of mormonISM.
What Mormons should be thinking about is the effect such exposure of the heretical teachings hallmarking mormonISM will have on those caught in mormonism. When the media get through making a laughing stock out of mormonISM, you Mormons may get your fill of victimhood, but I doubt it.
Milt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) is the easiest candidate for the media to destroy, thus Milt is the one the media want running against their bassturd Barry.
So, Milt is a dangerous person at this stage in the decline of this Republic, because he will be the reason democrats would win the presidency again and perhaps the best means to suppress turnout of conservative and moderate voters ... who wants to vote for a party stupid enough to nominate a man who believs he can become a god by his goodness and is a high priest in a religion which says the Blood of Christ cannot cleanse sin from those faithing in Jesus Christ?
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]
134
posted on
10/29/2011 10:52:22 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
To: caww
how one worships is their OWN business. it is no business of mine, yours or anyone elses. Why do I care how anyone worhips. I worship my own way and respect others who do the same.
135
posted on
10/29/2011 11:01:27 PM PDT
by
cubreporter
(Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
To: dragonblustar
why are you bringing them into this? I do not care for a lot of things but I don’t whine about them.
136
posted on
10/29/2011 11:11:59 PM PDT
by
cubreporter
(Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
To: MHGinTN
So, what’s next from you, calling anyone opposed to your frothing-at-the-mouth nonsense a Mormon?
I’m not a Mormon and don’t want to be one. Nor am I a Romney supporter (clue: the Tagline).
137
posted on
10/29/2011 11:13:15 PM PDT
by
Dagnabitt
(Newt. The Grownup in the Room.)
To: The Great RJ
that is THEIR BELIEF. Do I agree? No. However I concern mself with my own faith and do not bother with others.
138
posted on
10/29/2011 11:13:27 PM PDT
by
cubreporter
(Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
To: Tennessee Nana
no matter. That is THEIR faith. You don’t have to let them into your home if ou do not want to. You do not have to answere your door if you do not want to. You are missing the point. It is their religion... not mine or yours. I’ don’t get worked up over it. Geez.
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posted on
10/29/2011 11:15:19 PM PDT
by
cubreporter
(Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
To: UncommonJudge
no, thank you for your voice of reason.
140
posted on
10/29/2011 11:17:58 PM PDT
by
cubreporter
(Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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