Posted on 10/27/2011 7:27:20 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
Many years ago I stood at the bedside of a young father as he hovered between life and death. His distraught wife and their two children stood nearby. He took my hand in his and, with a pleading look, said, “Bishop, I know I am about to die. Tell me what happens to my spirit when I do.”
I offered a silent prayer for heavenly guidance and noticed on his bedside table a copy of the triple combination. I reached for the book and fanned the pages. Suddenly I discovered that I had, with no effort on my part, stopped at the 40th chapter of Alma in the Book of Mormon. I read these words to him:
“Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, … are taken home to that God who gave them life.
“And … the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow” (Alma 40:11–12).
As I continued to read about the Resurrection, a glow came to the young man’s face and a smile graced his lips. As I concluded my visit, I said good-bye to this sweet family.
I next saw the wife and children at the funeral. I think back to that night when a young man pleaded for truth and, from the Book of Mormon, heard the answer to his question.
(Excerpt) Read more at lds.org ...
Members of the LDS are on steroids.
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Probably
you seem to know
They are on Prozac...
Utah takes more proscription drugs for depression than just about any other state...
you are not my Judge. I’ll stand with Jesus Christ
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How do you plan to arrange that one ???
1. Youre not anyones judge either
2. Joey Smith is not anyones judge either
3. Youre not God
4. The LORD Jesus Christ is God
5. Youre not on the level of God
6. The Mormon “savior” Joey Smith is not on the level of God
7. Best you can expect is to go the way of Joey Smith...the unjudge...
thankfully you are not my Judge.
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Well nobody here can judge your heart...thats God who will do that...
But we are called on by God to judge the works of Mormonism...
And as it is judged against the Bible...
Mormonism is a blasphemeous cult...
BTW you make far too much of yourself Sandy...
The Drunken Sailors Association
for spending like a...
This site lists LDS under “other Christian”
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Which site ??? FR ???
Then this site also has this post which states...
Mormons are NOT Christians...
Mormonism is NOT Christianity...
By that date - May 26, 1844 - eight sects had already broken off from Joseph Smith's church: the Pure Church of Christ (1831), the Independent Church (1832), the Church of Christ (Boothite) (1836), the Church of Christ (Parrishite) (1837), the Alston Church (1839), the Church of Christ (Chubbyite) (late 1830s), the Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife (1840), and the Church of Christ (Pageite) (1842). As purely historical fact, I don’t understand how that is ‘keep[ing] a whole church together.”
Also, as purely historical fact, the May 26, 1844, is the speech Joseph Smith. Jr. gave after William Law testified before a grand jury that Smith was committing polygamy. Law also claimed that Smith had made several proposals to Law’s wife Jane, under the premise that Jane Law would enter a polyandrous marriage with Smith.
Law had been a member of the First Presidency, but after he objected to Joseph Smith repeatedly propositioning his wife, he was first removed from the First Presidency, and then excommunicated from the Church in April 1844.
As part of his May 25, 1844 speech, addressing the charges of polygamy, Smith said:
“What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.”
At the time he claimed to have but one wife and said he was unjustly accused of polygamy, Smith had at least 34 wives.
Fourteen days later, William Law and six others published the first and only edition of the newspaper, the Nauvoo Expositor, which publicly accused Smith of three things:
(1) corrupting young women by coercing them into plural marriage;
(2) being a fallen prophet by engaging in polygamy and polyandry; and
(3) desiring to establish a theocracy (as one example, Law felt Smith was uniting church and state in Nauvoo, Illinois by evading extradition to be tried for crimes in Missouri).
Smith and the Nauvoo city council ordered that the Nauvoo printing press be destroyed and the type be pied, setting off the chain of events that led to Smith's death on June 27, 1844, as a mob approached the Carthage jail and Smith shot and, according to LDS sources, killed two men with a smuggled pistol before rushing to the window and, according to LDS sources, trying to give the Masonic sign of distress.
Of course it's more complicated than that; a charge of treason was made against Smith for declaring martial law and calling out the Nauvoo Legion, a personal army of up to 5,000 men over which he served as General.
But as with so many events in 19th Century LDS history - Smith's claim to "have more to boast of than ever any man had,' and that he had done some that Jesus never had, came as a result of polygamy and polyandry. And more particularly, the practice of polygamy and polyandry in secret, while lying about its practice both to the non-LDS public and to Saints who were not members of the inner circle.
As LDS Apostle Boyd K. Packer said in his famous speech to LDS historians, The Mantle is Far, Far Greater than the Intellect, in which LDS historians were directed not to publish truthful academic histories, but to publish only 'faith-promoting" histories, "not all truths are useful." History like this is not faith-promoting and is not repeated..
"We may talk of men being redeemed by the efficacy of his [Christ's] blood; but the truth is that that blood has no efficacy to wash away our sins. That must depend upon our own action." [ LDS Apostle Amasa M. Lyman, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p. 299, 1859]
Sandy, we see through your rote, for if the jesus you claim conforms to the jesus taught by your cult leaders, then you are condemning yourself to Hell, the more every time you try to deceive us and yourself, no man need do it for you!
Whom is the jesus of mormonISM? What are you taught from mormonISM about 'your jesus'? The jesus taught by your cult is a separate god from the man who became the god of mormonism. Yet the Bible tells us straightway that Jesus IS the Word, and The Word was with God in the beginning and WAS GOD in the beginning![John's Gospel, Chapter One]
The jesus of mormonism had to earn the attributes of godhood to be appointed a part of the troika of gods mormonism teach rule earth.
The father of jesus taught by mormonism was also once a man, according to your cult, and he too had to earn the attributes of godhood and be appointed by a council of gods to rule the earth.
So, Sandy, was your jesus a polygamist? Was your jesus hounded and tormented by the leaders of his day because he was a polygamist? ... Your cult leadership has taught that jesus. Is that your savior Sandy?
Is you jesus the older spirit brother of Satan, Sandy? That's what your cult teaches regarding the spirit children born to the mormon god who was apponted to godhood, Sandy.
It is essential that you are trusting in The Jesus Christ Whose blood cleanses you from all sin. The leaders of your cult have taught that the Blood of Jesus cannot cleanse you from your sin. Which jesus do you trust in, Sandy?
Your profession, Sandy, may be as hollow as as it is dead, for the jesus of mormonism which you profess to follow is not the same Jesus of The Bible. Here's an analogous situation, borrowed from Freeper William Clark, illustrating how one can have faith in 'a' Christ but not the true Savior Christ:
"I always like to use the analogy of Jim Caviezel [In Mel Gibson's 'The Passion of The Christ']. Like the Mormon Jesus, he dressed the part, spoke the same words (in the original language, no less), and was referred to as Jesus Christ within a specific context, but it makes all the difference in the world whether one worships and depends upon him for their salvation or the genuine article.".
Well, yeah - sorta:
....theological consistency is less important to Latter-day Saints than it may be for other Christians. This is an extremely important point, one that is relevant to the article that began this thread. The author of that article expresses frustration that Mormonism "is immune" to what he considers "fatal criticism" based on doctrine and beliefs.
There is a reason for that. Mormonism is not so much a system of doctrines as it is a way of life. In other words, to be a "Mormon" in good standing is more a question of conduct and attitude than theology."
-- LDS FReeper Logophile, from the thread Should We Stop Addressing Old Teachings and Non-Official Beliefs? -Mormon- (OPEN)
"Church Headquarters has been receiving an increased amount of correspondence from its members about doctrinal issues. Because of this influx of correspondence, the First Presidency reminded and encouraged LDS church members to utilize their local church authorities – bishops, branch presidents, stake presidents, etc — before resorting to contacting Church Headquarters.” In other words, the Mormon laity was told to quit bothering their church leadership on issues related to doctrine."
-- from the thread Quit pestering us, church leaders tell membership in letter
"It's not easy to learn a new culture, doctrine and terminology — just ask new converts to the LDS Church — one of whom was disappointed to learn that the fireside she'd been eagerly looking forward was not a bonfire. Or the one who showed up in tears at the office of Marleen Williams convinced that no Mormon man would want to marry her because she couldn't operate a hot glue gun....According to the study, members of the church can help new converts by being more open and by giving love and acceptance to them, especially as they struggle to learn LDS jargon and learn the difference between culture and doctrine."
-- from the thread LDS conversion is a process, study indicates
So, creating a Mormon culture keeps people distracted from actual mormon doctrine?
Wouldn't this lifestyle and culture be prone to corruption or turned into a cult like control over the congregation if they were not allowed to question the church?
You guys continue to quote stuff from non LDS Scripture. Anyway, my Jesus is all I need to keep me safe and secure. Your Jesus condemns me so I guess your Jesus and my Jesus are different after all. My Jesus loves and accepts me. He died for me to save me from my sins. That’s all.
I hope some people actually read this wonderful article. It is very touching and Spirit filled.
You guys continue to quote stuff from non LDS Scripture
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What have you got against the Christian Bible ???
Oh thats right youre a Mormon...
Well Sandy heres an “quote” from that same non LDS Scripture that Mormons dont believe...
The LORD Jesus Christ said to Sandy, “I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14:6
I guess your Jesus and my jesus are different after all.
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Finally...
after weve told you that till were blue in the fingers...
Personally I dont have a Jesus ...
He has me...
He won my freedom from sin...
I didnt do a thing to earn Him...
The LDS Church has had some issues with determining what its doctrine is.
Bruce R. McConkie is one of the most frequently cited and quoted authorities on LDS doctrine. He was a General Authority of the LDS Church. In 1958, when he was a member of the First Council of the Seventy, he published a book called Mormon Doctrine: A Compendium of the Gospel, which was called "the first major attempt to digest, explain, and analyze all of the important doctrines of the kingdom," relying on LDS scriptures and the scriptures and recognized doctrinal authorities including, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, John Taylor, and Joseph Fielding Smith.
One of the Apostles of the Church, Mark E. Petersen, said there were 1,067 errors in the first edition copy of the book. The first edition is the one in which McConkie called the Roman Catholic Church "the Whore of Babylon", the great and abominable church, and the great whore of all the earth, in LDS theology.
From there, things get muddy.
A Second Edition was published, with corrections. Prophet David O. McKay authorized it. However, although the McConkie family has handwritten notes authorizing the publication, the LDS church says that McKay was 92 and in ill health, and didn't consult his counselors.
Anyway, the book was published by LDS-owned Deseret Books and went through 40 printings. It was one of the most popular books ever printed by Deseret Books.
In 2010, Desert Books quietly ceased publication, claiming low sales - although Amazon and all other sellers claim that the book continued to sell well.
The one-year anniversary of 'quiet removal' of one of Mormonism's best-selling books got attention.
The Salt Lake City Tribute called it one of the most influential books on Mormonism of the last 50 years.
Some observers opined that the move was due to the book's uncompromising presentation of controversial Mormon ideas from which the Church is attempting to distance itself to seem more like mainstream Christianity.
So, if you want to know what LDS theology is . . . don't go looking for the principal source that's existed for that information for the last 50 years. It's been pulled from publication. And apparently an Apostle of the LDS Church didn't know what the theology of the LDS church was, or at least there was disagreement among the Members of the First Presidency.
How very clintonesque, to infer that the teaching from your leadership is not what you believe yet you know you are completely sold out to their ‘church’. How very disingenuous of you, lawyer. But ya know, I expect as much from mormonISM apologist now, after dealing with your ilk for a few years right here at FR.
Anyway, my jesus is all I need to keep me safe and secure.
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Thats what a Glock is for...
Anyway, my jesus is all I need to keep me safe and secure.
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You dont wear your magic bloomers ???
So you dont have a temple recommend ???
BTW, Sandy, you condemn yourself by not trusting in The Savior and following after false prophets and imaginary christs. The Jesus of the Bible, is ready to be your Savior, but you have to give up false prophets and imaginary christs to follw he Real Jesus. It appeasr your pride in self won’t let you do that. So be it, you condemn yourself, Sandy.
“It appeasr your pride in self won’t let you do that. So be it, you condemn yourself, Sandy.”
So glad you are not my judge. Whew!
***No, the lds uses the KJV some will have notes to j.smiths “edits”***
Interesting that they would use a BIBLE that even they claim is mis-translated, and has many “precious promises” removed.
But then, they have never attempted to make a TRUE mormon translation of the bible, except for JS’s socalled translation. What degree in Hebrew, Caldee and Greek did he have?
“Members of the LDS Church are Christians on steroids.”
When you add garbage to soup, is it soup on steroids?
Or is it garbage?
The garbage doesn’t improve the soup...
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