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To: Gamecock
I'm in his flock and I'm not left to the wolves. Every Sunday he explains how to become a born-again Christian by faith in Jesus Christ and every Sunday he prays with many to accept the Lord. His church has many programs to help people grow in the fullness of the Holy Spirit and the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Many don't like him because he's got his finger on the pulse of what's wrong with many of God's people: they don't have joy, they're not overcomers in their lives, and are therefore of little use to God. Satan hates Joel Osteen because he's helping God's people come into His presence, become effective in advancing His kingdom, and prevail against the gates of Hell.

13 posted on 10/26/2011 6:13:07 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew; Lee N. Field; xzins
Every Sunday he explains how to become a born-again Christian by faith in Jesus Christ

EVERY Sunday? Then what is it I see when I turn the TV on to the program beamed your house of worship? A Joel imposter? All I ever see when I watch is him taking a fragment of a passage and repeating the same thing, over and over. And that would be a watered down version of the prosperity Gospel.

17 posted on 10/26/2011 6:37:35 PM PDT by Gamecock (“I’m so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it.” JGM)
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To: PapaNew; Gamecock
Every Sunday he explains how to become a born-again Christian by faith in Jesus Christ and every Sunday he prays with many to accept the Lord. His church has many programs to help people grow in the fullness of the Holy Spirit and the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Can you give us a description of how it's explained, or what's provided?

If growth programs exist at Lakewood, they're not obvious, and (based on the ones they do advertise) they likely won't have any depth. Either Lakewood/Osteen thinks that Christians can grow to instant maturity like Sea-Monkeys, or else Lakewood/Osteen believes the congregation will never be old enough for solid food.

28 posted on 10/26/2011 7:24:52 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: PapaNew

My problem with Joel Osteen isn’t that he always serves patato chips instead of meat in terms of Biblical education; My problem with the Pastor isn’t that he can’t seem to get beyond the happy happy joy joy ear tickling that so many who don’t want to be convicted of their own shortcomings these days seem to prefer.

Joel Osteen preaches prosperity and that is something that is not biblical and why I agree with the previous poster that you responded to who stated that people in his ‘church’ are left to the wolves.

I pray that he repents and starts preaching the BIBLE rather then prosperity.


30 posted on 10/26/2011 7:59:29 PM PDT by RobinWWJD
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To: PapaNew; Gamecock; P-Marlowe
As a pastor, I totally agree that Christians today lack joy and are not overcomers. What I would challenge everyone to find is what the Bible says on that subject.

Joel Osteen, in this article, says some things regarding biblical teaching that are absolute kryptonite to a biblical Christian: "I probably don’t get hung up in them because I haven’t really studied them or thought about them. And you know, I just try to let God be the judge of that. I mean, I don’t know. "

I will let the underlined words stand on their own merit without comment.

39 posted on 10/27/2011 4:50:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: PapaNew
I'm in his flock and I'm not left to the wolves. Every Sunday he explains how to become a born-again Christian by faith in Jesus Christ

I'm sorry to hear that you are of the gullible masses. Nonetheless, how can the student know more than his teacher? And from everything I have heard Joel yap about, one thing is certain - Joel Osteen doesn't know the Gospel.

If you are of his flock you are not competent to discuss the Gospel.

56 posted on 10/27/2011 6:39:14 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: PapaNew

I wonder if you went to that same 10,000+ seat church in Houston years ago when John Osteen used to have everyone hold up their Bible and say..

“This is my Bible....”

Joel doesnt seem to do that...


63 posted on 10/27/2011 8:29:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (If we give Sandy a ladder will she preach from the temple roof)
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To: PapaNew
hmm... here's my opinion on Joel Osteen from what I read posted on the Devotional threads -- he's a very good motivational speakers, he makes one feel good. But I'm not so sure (and since I've not read much of what he says or does, this is just opinion) on his Christ-related preaching.

but I don't think he's in the same category as Benny Hinn

To your point they don't have joy, they're not overcomers in their lives, and are therefore of little use to God -- I don't think that is particularly correct -- joy in terms of plain human emotion is not the be-all and end-all. If one does not have joy but has faith, it is 'preferable' (if one was to compare)
Secondly, "overcomers in their lives"? I strongly disagree with that -- there are people who have been poor, homeless etc. for all of their lives, never "overcoming" poverty and yet are marvellous examples of God's grace because they have a simple faith.

66 posted on 10/27/2011 10:38:57 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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