Posted on 10/23/2011 4:30:28 PM PDT by freejohn
I hope that it's okay to post this in the Religion forum!?
I have been thinking about this for quite some time now and have come to my own conclusion and that is .. GOD HAS TO EXIST and not only does he exist .. He is the main argument Against the now popular 'Multi-verse' scenario!
Scientists from many different areas are pondering an infinite number of universes to explain our existence.
They talk about 'string theories' and 'infinite universes' where anything and everything can and does exist!
An example may be that in one universe, I am alive but in another I never was.
In one universe, I am a doctor while in others I may be a lawyer or an Indian Chief while in THIS one .. I'm just another 'smuck'! *)
IF the multi-verse theory were correct then GOD would HAVE to exist simply because 'Scientists' say ALL things MUST take place in 'Infinite Universes'!
Now .. Wouldn't it make sense that if GOD were to exist in even one of these universes then NONE of the rest of those universes could or would exist!?
GOD is a GOD of ORDER and Not a GOD of DISORDER so-o-o .. HOW could such a chaotic universe or in this case Chaotic Universes exist!?
I believe that Science has backed itself into a hole on this one!
(or maybe just created another paradox?)
What do you think?
If you were able to get beyond the multi-use of the word 'exist' in my ramblings .. I would Really like you Scientific and Religious thinkers input on this! 8)
Just sayin'.
We can learn only so much in a lifetime but we can believe anything we want to.
Leibnez asks, "If God does not exist, why is there anything at all?"
I think you have identified the purpose of such theory... to discredit the existence of God.
Just like evolution and time travel.... it’s all linked together.
It is fed to us on a daily basis NOT just through science, but through entertainment as well in the form of science fiction.
Parallel universes, time travel, and evolution has been the core plot basis for Star Trek and so many others like it...
The logic of such science sounds much more palpable to our brains because it is so far beyond us, and special effects brings it into our visual reality... but for anyone who believes in God, it becomes utter nonsense for the very reasons you stated... It would all make God out to be someone who IS NOT INVOLVED in His creation.
Leibnez asks, "If God does not exist, why is there anything at all?"
I wouldn’t count parallel universes and time travel out quite yet.
BUT .. He didn’t say a thing about many Universes!
There is but one universe...science tells us. There is no evidence for multiple universes...none. Look at the Borde-Guth-Vilkin explaination for disposing of such silly notions. As Alamo girl often tells us, God is I AM, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, ETERNAL GOD. Cosmology, if you remain honest, strenghtens the Christian faith.
A multi-universe doesn’t eliminate God.
There’s no reason why God cannot have many universes on the go for various reasons and that the physics established by God may have required a multi-universe, just as gravity was required so we don’t float away in space.
Time travel .. In which direction?
Interesting thought: those of us who believe in Him, believe he is all-powerful and everywhere at once, all the time. Therefore, it shouldn’t be out of line to assume that if there were parallel universes, other dimensions, etc., then He should be present there too, perhaps taking another form such as that of Aslan in the Chronicles of Narnia....
So .. Would GOD have all of these universes lined up in neat little rows?
Kind of like a Monk (The Actor) GOD would do? 8)
The quantum theory describes so-called quantum foam - a sporadic appearance of particles out of nothing and their immediate return back to that nothing. It may be seen as somewhat related to this problem. A particle may appear, but we can only talk about probabilities of it appearing.
IF the multi-verse theory were correct then GOD would HAVE to exist simply because 'Scientists' say ALL things MUST take place in 'Infinite Universes'!
If that were to be true then all Universes would be identical. The whole trick is that the Multiverse represents a complete set of all possibilities. This means that in exactly 50% of them God does not exist (because this is a binary event.)
Imagine a boiling kettle. There are bubbles of steam rising up. There could be no bubbles, or one, or many. Each may call itself a Universe; together they'd be a Multiverse. First of all, what God has to do with any of these bubbles? Can inhabitants of one bubble conclude that God exists or that he does not? If God exists inside of the bubble then he is not in control of other bubbles, which undermines certain postulates. If God exists outside of the bubble (say, he is standing by the fire and watching the kettle boil) then the relation between God and any individual bubble - let alone an individual inside that bubble - is slim to none, even though God did in fact cause all these bubbles to form.
GOD is a GOD of ORDER and Not a GOD of DISORDER
How do you know that? What is order to you and to God? Are they the same? Water molecules are always in random motion; however the coffee in my cup is perfectly at rest.
I believe that Science has backed itself into a hole on this one!
The Science said nothing definite on this subject - unless you call SciFi writers scientists. But they are not scientists, they are entertainers. Only philosophers can be said to think about these matters - and they haven't proven anything in this department as far as I know.
If you can think of an experiment where inhabitants of a bubble can prove that God stands in front of the range and is making himself a cup of tea - or that he does not exist like that - then please speak up :-)
We usually look at it in reverse: We ask how God can make something from nothing. But God is actually the ONLY something. Our world is actually NOTHING from SOMETHING! How do WE exist at all?
HEY Starlifter!!!
Yes, your logic is valid. And I would like to echo the congratulations of others on this thread. Well done.
“IF the multi-verse theory were correct then GOD would HAVE to exist simply because ‘Scientists’ say ALL things MUST take place in ‘Infinite Universes’!”
And yes, therefore the multi-universe theory disproves itself. This seems to be a general trend with leftist “scholarly” ideas that are anti-God. Including one from David Hume, who is supposed to be a “great” thinker, as explained in the book “I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist.”
Well, when you take sides against God the inevitable result is you outthink yourself.
I would count out time travel, with absolute certainty.
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