Posted on 10/19/2011 7:55:51 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
The Moslems have been accusing us Christians of worshipping three Gods for some time. Here iscool's post repeats the La illah allah refrain.
You conveniently overlook verse 26 in the passage you quote, which says clearly that it is BREAD when you eat it. And what is in the cup? Blood? No, it is clear: it is the NEW COVENANT IN Jesus’ blood.
You select verses, out of context, to support your pre-established doctrine. But Scripture is clear — even in the verses you quoted — that it is BREAD and WINE, powerful symbols of Jesus’ precious death.
I encourage us all to follow Scripture’s directive to do this “in remembrance of [Jesus].”
Of course, I won’t convince you. So you follow your denomination’s doctrines, and I’ll follow the plain teaching of Scripture.
"For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes."
Those of us who are not Roman Catholics prefer to use the term Scripture uses: wait for it ... wait for it ... here it is: "bread."
“To begin with, Mary always points us to Jesus, and this teaching is ultimately about Jesus.”
Um. Then why do you reject her counsel and even bother trying to talk to Mary? Take Mary’s advice: Look to Jesus, alone. There is no Co-Mediatrix.
Seems to me a simple medical test of the Host after the transub occurs would reveal if it was indeed hemoglobin and flesh.
Never mind scripture, though...
it’s what MEN (priests, pope, etc) say that has the authority.
You see, rzman21? THIS is why Aquinas is important. The doctrine teaches, almost precisely, that a"simple medical test" would find that the host had all the "accidents" of a baked wafer of wheat flour and water.
In the post Cartesian age "real" does mean what it meant before.
A guy assaulted me once because he thought I was not a REAL Law Enforcement Officer. His error had nothing to do with what could be measured about me. The "reality" (or not) of the presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament cannot be ascertained by tests, well, by none given in this life.
Is there anything else that you'd like to get off your chest about what's wrong with us, or can we get back to the topic now?
If you have never prayed for anyone but yourself, you’re a sorry sort of Christian.
Who authorized you to interpret Scripture? Seriously — who? Where does your authority come from, that anyone should listen to you?
The miracle of the real presence is beyond all human understanding, and the talk of substance and accidents is irrelevant.
It just is. No amount of rationalism can explain matters of faith.
This sort of question of how many angels could dance on the head of a pin is why we where have been since the 17th century.
Eastern Christianity has always believed in the real presence, and I might add no one in the East ever denied it.
I guess St. Ignatius of Antioch fell asleep in class when St. Peter was teaching him the faith.
I’ll take what a second century Christian teacher had to say over somebody like John Calvin who lived 16 centuries later any day.
So what do YOU say to someone who says medical tests could verify the real presence?
BTW, I think the question about angels and pins is perfectly reasonable and the answer knowable: as many as you please.
So what do YOU say to someone who says medical tests could verify the real presence?
BTW, I think the question about angels and pins is perfectly reasonable and the answer knowable: as many as you please.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, or what spawned your comment.
Of course I pray for others.
I do not, however, pray to anyone except the Lord. And I don’t talk to anyone who has died, except for the Lord.
And you’re judging my walk with the Lord as “sorry”? Whew, you seem to have a hard heart.
I simply re-quoted a passage of Scripture that one of your Roman Catholic friends had quoted.
Is it impermissible to quote Scripture? If so, rebuke your Roman Catholic friends before you start laying into me.
To respond to your question: Jesus authorizes me to relish His Word, and to share its truths with others. Do you not ponder the Scriptures? If not, I welcome you to do so.
Um. I didn’t quote Calvin. I quoted Paul.
If you disagree with what I referenced, take it up with the author, not with me.
I do imagine it must be devastatingly difficult when the plain truth of Scripture (that we eat BREAD during communion) contradicts such a deeply held doctrine (that we eat dermis and muscle and corpuscles and such when we celebrate communion).
No Theo. I said it would be if you didn't pray for others. I'm glad to know you do. Now -- since it's OK for us to pray for others, can you explain why we shouldn't ask the saints with God to pray for us?
He authorizes you? How?
Do you not ponder the Scriptures?
Indeed I do. As a totality, not with isolated proof texts. And with the mind and guidance of the Church, whose task it is to discern and apply sacred texts. The Bible isn't a DIY manual for lone rangers.
Because Scripture condemns the practice of communing with dead people.
I do, however, ask living saints (friends from church, for example) to join me in prayer.
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