Posted on 10/18/2011 10:02:27 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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This is an excellent summary...bears repeating. Especially this...
"It is both an insult and a forced affirmation at the same time. It is reminiscent of Islam, it’s disdain for other religions and its insidious means of promoting it’s superiority.
Watch Romney on TV or in debates...he exudes that attitude of superiority.
‘Tis merely a flesh wound.
Isn’t that what we saw when the Romney campaign demanded that Perry repudiate that Texas minister?
Romney would like to use his religion, kind of like playing the religion card against conservative Christians.Why go there?
That's what happened to the cureloms - hunted to extinction by early MORMONs.
(Which, btw, even the Mormon church concedes in one of the articles below):
No-Cross Protocol ["New" Mormon tradition]
Sunstone speaker attempts to explain LDS 'aversion' to cross [published by Lds church-owned DesNews]
Hmm...doesn't seem to fit in with Jeff Head's "testimonial I'm a Christian, too" commercial on this site re: his comments on the atonement, eh? Somebody's at odds with someone else Mormon-wise here!
Did you feel the same about Obama and Rev.Wright?
See post #65 for two links to FR articles on exactly this subject!
I am?
DANG; who to offend; a few million MORMON voters or a few ZILLION CHristian ones?????
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
There is not much overlap from Colorado to Oklahoma.
I went from one to the other on small county roads.
You can visit the highest point in OK that way: Black Mesa.
I’d guess that most Okie’s don’t even know it exists...
In my Methodist faith, as I mentioned in a post on another Mormon thread, we only sing hymns to God--be it the father (And Now, Oh Father, Mindful of the Love), the son (He Is So Precious to Me), the holy ghost (Spirit of God, Descend Upon My Heart), or the entire Trinity (Praise Ye the Triune God; O Perfect Love). We sing hymns to no one else. This is most likely the case with every other Protestant denomination.
That is a very important point.
Mormons claim the mantle of "Christian" yet they separate themselves from all of Christendom. If they were "Christians" they would not be averse to listening to Christian radio, listening to sermons of other "denominations" attending churches of other "denominations". Further they would open their Temple up to other "Christians" who are of as "good a moral character" as themselves.
Mormons want to be numbered among the "Christians" but they refuse to number the Christians among them.
This is not just a denominational separatism. This is a complete separation from all other "sects" of "Christianity." They do not want to associate with other Christians, yet they take offense when someone says they are not Christians themselves. If they were "Christians," they would treat all other "Christians" as their Brothers. They would recognize the baptism of other denominations as valid.
The bottom line is that Mormonism is Mormonism and Christianity is Christianity.
Good parallel re: Islam.
Mormons reference all Christians as "apostates"; Muslims reference all Christians & Jews as "infidels." Peas from the same demonic pod.
So...when you say...
...their demand for Christians to view/call/accept Mormons as “Christians” is much more than it appears. It is both an insult and a forced affirmation at the same time. It is reminiscent of Islam, it’s disdain for other religions and its insidious means of promoting it’s superiority
This is then REALLY tantamount to Muslim forcing Jews to say, "All Muslims are God's chosen people" and then going one step further "than it appears" -- trying to make Jews & Christians say that Muslims are the "only spiritual people of complete fidelity."
Likewise, Mormons are trying to get us to hand over the "Christian" brand name to them, lock, stock & barrel. After all, it's not as if they want to be associated with us "Gentile" proselyte targets they wrote off long ago as "apostates!" (They really are just guilty of coveting the name "Christ-one!")
Lds Sen. Hatch did a recent TV interview in which he went on and on and on trying to convince viewers that the name of the Mormon church ("the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints") in and of itself made them "Christian."
If that was true, then I suppose the...
...Christian Science cult = a group of Christian Scientists;
...or the "Gates of Heaven" San Diego cultic group that committed mass suicide in the 1990s = suicide as a "legit" means of acquiring heaven.
...or another cult, The Way International, is somehow equivalent to Jesus Christ as "the Way" (John 14:6).
Yeah, sure. Just like the Democrats really favor "democracy" (vs. socialism) or embrace "social justice" ["justice" for thine but not for thee or the pre-born].
Obama and the Rev Wright are a different matter because Obama was going to discount the conservative Christians, no matter what.
Making an issue of Romney’s Mormon beliefs gives Romney an excuse to move to the center, which is what Romney would like to do. Romney is no conservative and he sees conservatives as dragging him down. He doesn’t think he needs conservatives to win the election. We want to pressure him to the right, but not on his religion, on substantive issues that will persuade other types of conservative voters.
Nor would Mormon leadership really mind if their flock occasionally attended Christian worship services -- if we were all "fellow Christians." [Sorry; but no "encouragement" to ever do anything like that has been forthcoming from its leadership...just the reverse]
How about it Mormons? If you're "Christian," too...then why not come to special Advent services or a Christmas Eve service or a Thanksgiving Day or Thanksgiving Eve service @ a local Christian church? Especially since your church is not offering such a thing -- and won't next year for Christmas Day because it won't fall on a Sunday in 2012.
If "we're Christians, too" then your worship life can become interchangeable & it won't matter if you occasionally visit a Christian church because of a more relevant worship life.
The Apostle Paul will tell you why:
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
That passage suggests that Paul wouldn't see Mormons as Christians. Christians run TO the cross, unbelievers run AWAY from the cross.
WHY do you want to "pressure him to the right"?
So that he will win the nomination by persuading OTHER TYPES of conservative voters?
Are you a Romney supporter?
I just want him to drop out of US politics completely.
The mormons I talked with about this after I had become a mormon and after I left, said, “The cross represents a weapon of murder. If your loved one were murdered with a gun, would you wear a gun to symbolize their loss?”
I’m not sure where this line of thinking began or if it’s even SLC “policy” to reply in this manner, but I guess it gives you an idea on how they view the atonement of Christ.
I see things differently now.
Just an aside, my wife and son (mormon) became a bit agitated when I put a NOTW decal (the “t” is the Cross) on my truck.
The fact that Mormons stress Jesus "sweating" blood on Gethsemane -- and not the cross as the prime focus of the atonement -- shows their aversion. Peter clearly says in 1 Pet. 2:24 that our sins were dealt with by Jesus bearing them in His body ON THE CROSS!
And not only would the apostle Paul not see Mormons as Christians, but because of their aversion to it and treating it as a pagan symbol [see links @ post #65 for examples] coupled with their works-righteous lift-yourself-by-your-bootstraps theology, I think Paul would apply Phil 3:18 to Lds:
For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.
We either embrace the cross and believe our very sin has sent Jesus there; or become its enemy...no matter how "religious" we are.
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