Nah; we got's Huntsman, too!
Uh... we gots Harry Reid, also!) Posted on 09/20/2011 12:13:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
>Mormonism Teaches That:
The Constitution will hang by a thread, to be saved by the Mormon Church.
Will the Constitution be destroyed? No, it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, "The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from destruction." It will be so. (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses [JOD] Vol. 7, page 150).
…And when the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the "Mormon" Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it. (Brigham Young, JOD, Vol. 2, page 317).
…We shall spread abroad, and the day shall will come – and this is another prediction of Joseph Smith's - I want to remind you of it, my brethren and sisters, when good government, constitutional government, liberty will be found among the Latter-day Saints, and it will be sought for in vain elsewhere…… The day will come when the constitution and free government under it will be sustained and preserved by this people. (George Q. Cannon, JOD, Vol 23, page 104).
The Mormons will usher in a Theocracy, or "The Kingdom of God", directed by the Lord's Prophet (LDS).
With the restoration of the gospel and the setting up of the ecclesiastical Kingdom of God, the restoration of the true government of God commenced. Through this church and Kingdom, a framework has been built through which the full government of God will eventually operate. … The present ecclesiastical kingdom will be expanded into a political kingdom also, and then both civil and ecclesiastical affairs will be administered through it. (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, page 338).
Brigham Young confirmed that when the LDS Kingdom of God was in control, the American flag would fly above us.
When the day comes in which the Kingdom of God will bear rule, the flag of the United States will proudly flutter unsullied on the flag staff of liberty and equal rights, without a spot t sully its fair surface; the glorious flag our fathers have bequeathed to us will then be unfurled to the breeze by those who have power to hoist it aloft and defend its sanctity. (Brigham Young JOD, Vol. 2, page 317).
The Mormons will possess the whole earth and reign over it. As the Civil and Religious laws become one, the "United Order" will become the "Kingdom of God".
Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come- (D&C 104, verse 1).
The poor will be exalted and the rich made low. All property, including liquid assets will be deeded to the "kingdom" (Church), all money turned in. Some property will be conditionally 'deeded' back for us to "manage" as is deemed necessary for each man.
This is spelled out in the Doctrine & Covenants 42:
28 Thou knowest my laws concerning these things are given in my scriptures; he that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out.
29 If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments.
30 And behold, thou wilt remember the poor, and consecrate of thy properties for their support that which thou hast to impart unto them, with a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken.
31 And inasmuch as ye impart of your substance unto the poor, ye will do it unto me; and they shall be laid before the bishop of my church and his counselors, two of the elders, or high priests, such as he shall appoint or has appointed and set apart for that purpose.
32 And it shall come to pass, that after they are laid before the bishop of my church, and after that he has received these testimonies concerning the consecration of the properties of my church, that they cannot be taken from the church, agreeable to my commandments, every man shall be made accountable unto me, a steward over his own property, or that which he has received by consecration, as much as is sufficient for himself and family.
33 And again, if there shall be properties in the hands of the church, or any individuals of it, more than is necessary for their support after this first consecration, which is a residue to be consecrated unto the bishop, it shall be kept to administer to those who have not, from time to time, that every man who has need may be amply supplied and receive according to his wants.
34 Therefore, the residue shall be kept in my storehouse, to administer to the poor and the needy, as shall be appointed by the high council of the church, and the bishop and his council;
If a man shall transgress this law, it shall ALL be taken from him, without recourse. All this is for the benefit of the Church. He who sins against this shall be cursed and delivered over to Satan. Lands shall be gotten by purchase or by blood when there is a problem in obtaining it. Every Mormon in the world swears an oath of obedience to the Law of Consecration and the Law of Sacrifice... in the Temple rites. They are bound by blood oath to honor their word.
Let's look at the portion of the Revelation, Doctrines & Covenants 104, given to Joseph Smith the Prophet, April 23, 1834, concerning the United Order, which set this in its spiritual place.
1 Verily I say unto you, my friends, I give unto you counsel, and a commandment, concerning all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I come-
2 With promise immutable and unchangeable, that inasmuch as those whom I commanded were faithful they should be blessed with a multiplicity of blessings;
3 But inasmuch as they were not faithful they were nigh unto cursing.
4 Therefore, inasmuch as some of my servants have not kept the commandment, but have broken the covenant through covetousness, and with feigned words, I have cursed them with a very sore and grievous curse.
5 For I, the Lord, have decreed in my heart, that inasmuch as any man belonging to the order shall be found a transgressor, or, in other words, shall break the covenant with which ye are bound, he shall be cursed in his life, and shall be trodden down by whom I will;
6 For I, the Lord, am not to be mocked in these things-
7 And all this that the innocent among you may not be condemned with the unjust; and that the guilty among you may not escape; because I, the Lord, have promised unto you a crown of glory at my right hand.
8 Therefore, inasmuch as you are found transgressors, you cannot escape my wrath in your lives.
9 Inasmuch as ye are cut off for transgression, ye cannot escape the buffetings of Satan until the day of redemption.
10 And I now give unto you power from this very hour, that if any man among you, of the order, is found a transgressor and repenteth not of the evil, that ye shall deliver him over unto the buffetings of Satan; and he shall not have power to bring evil upon you.
11 It is wisdom in me; therefore, a commandment I give unto you, that ye shall organize yourselves and appoint every man his stewardship;
12 That every man may give an account unto me of the stewardship which is appointed unto him.
13 For it is expedient that I, the Lord, should make every man accountable, as a steward over earthly blessings, which I have made and prepared for my creatures.
14 I, the Lord, stretched out the heavens, and built the earth, my very handiwork; and all things therein are mine.
15 And it is my purpose to provide for my saints, for all things are mine.
16 But it must needs be done in mine own way; and behold this is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints, that the poor shall be exalted, in that the rich are made low.
17 For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.
18 Therefore, if any man shall take of the abundance which I have made, and impart not his portion, according to the law of my gospel, unto the poor and the needy, he shall, with the wicked, lift up his eyes in hell, being in torment.
Is Socialism The United Order?
In a speech by this title, given at the LDS April 1966, General Conference of the Church, Mormon Elder and one of the governing Brethren of the church, Marion G. Romney, of the Council of the Twelve Apostles [and an uncle to Mitt Romney] had this to say about this United Order that Joseph Smith claimed came directly from God for the administration of properties and possessions.
Now as to the United Order, and here I will give the words of the Lord and not my words. The United Order, the Lord's program for eliminating the inequalities among men, is based upon the underlying concept that the earth and all things therein belong to the Lord and that men hold earthly possessions as stewards accountable to God.
On January 2, 1831, the Lord revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith that the Church was under obligation to care for the poor. (See D& C 38.) Later he said:
"I, the Lord, stretched out the heavens, and built the earth ...and all things therein are mine. And it is my purpose to provide for my saints, for all things are mine. But it must needs be done in mine own way...." (D& C 104:14-16.)
On February 9, 1831, the Lord revealed to the Prophet what his way was. (See D& C 42.) In his way there were two cardinal principles: (1) consecration and (2) stewardship.
To enter the United Order, when it was being tried, one consecrated all his possessions to the Church by a "covenant and a deed which" could not "be broken." (D& C 42:30.) That is, he completely divested himself of all of his property by conveying it to the Church.
Having thus voluntarily divested himself of title to all his property, the consecrator received from the Church a stewardship by a like conveyance. This stewardship could be more or less than his original consecration, the object being to make "every man equal according to his family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs." (D& C 51:3.)
This procedure preserved in every man the right to private ownership and management of his property. At his own option he could alienate it or keep and operate it and pass it on to his heirs.
The intent was, however, for him to so operate his property as to produce a living for himself and his dependents. So long as he remained in the order, he consecrated to the Church the surplus he produced above the needs and wants of his family. This surplus went into a storehouse from which stewardship's were given to others and from which the needs of the poor were supplied.
These divine principles are very simple and easily understood. A comparison of them with the underlying principles of socialism reveal similarities and basic differences.
The following are similarities: Both (1) deal with production and distribution of goods; (2) aim to promote the well-being of men by eliminating their economic inequalities; (3) envision the elimination of the selfish motives in private capitalistic industrial system.
Now the differences: (1) The cornerstone of the United Order is belief in God and
acceptance of him as Lord of the earth and the author of the United Order. Socialism, wholly materialistic, is founded in the wisdom of men and not of God. Although all socialists may not be atheists, none of them in theory or practice seek the Lord to establish his righteousness. (2) The United Order is implemented by the voluntary free-will actions of men, evidenced by a consecration of all their property to the Church of God.
One time the Prophet Joseph Smith asked a question by the brethren about the inventories they were taking. His answer was to the effect, "You don't need to be concerned about the inventories. Unless a man is willing to consecrate everything he has, he doesn't come into the United Order." (Documentary History of the Church. Vol 7,pp.412-413.) On the other hand, socialism is implemented by external force, the power of the state.
What Have We Learned?
Basically, what we glean from Elder Marion Romney is that the United Order is a theocratic form of socialism. That, as a system, it can only operate properly under the Law of Consecration, as a function of the "Kingdom Of God" as understood in the context of the authority of the only true church on earth… the Mormon Church.
Mitt Romney understands this as a function of his Mormon upbringing, training, BYU Education, Temple worthiness and his LDS Priesthood [both Aaronic and Melchizedek… as an elder and High Priest].
He also is the nephew of the very General Authority and Apostle of the church, Marion Romney, who taught the doctrine from the pulpit to the entire church at the General Conference in 1966.
In his defense, I do not believe that Mitt Romney is overtly plotting such an LDS "New World Order." I am certain it is not even in the back of his mind as he runs for office. However, as you have clearly seen, it is in his spiritual DNA, in his blood, in his roots and in his temple obligations.
In a TV interview the weekend following his 1007 announcement, he said:
"his Mormon beliefs would not handicap his run for the Republican presidential nomination.
"I'm not running for pastor in chief," Romney told ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" Sunday. "I'm running for commander in chief." The interview with the candidate and his wife Ann was videotaped earlier.[xviii]
In the announcement, itself, Romney stated that the USA needed transformation.
"Mitt Romney wants transformation. How do we know? The former Massachusetts Republican governor used the word 'transform' or a variant no fewer than 13 times in his presidential announcement Tuesday…. "So when he said on Tuesday, 'If there ever was a time when innovation and transformation were needed in government, it is now,' Romney was accurately describing the need to overhaul the doddering status quo in health care, education and homeland security - just for starters.
"He was also correct when he added, 'I do not believe Washington can be transformed from within by a lifelong politician.'"[xix]
Remember, Mormonism Teaches That:
When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. Satan gets a great victory when we disagree or "do our own thinking".[xx]
The Church Prophet has the right to identify how the Lord would have us vote and who would dare disobey?
"Now, does the office of the President of the Church embrace the right to identify for the whole membership of the church, and all the peoples of the world for that matter how the Lord would desire that we vote on certain matters? Certainly it does! Who would dare to proscribe God?"[xxi]
When the prophet speaks, the debate is over.[xxii]
All LDS administration is done by direct Revelation from God[xxiii]
When the Mormon leaders speak, we are to obey and believe, even if our scientific knowledge says otherwise.[xxiv]
God can (and often does) change his mind from revelation to revelation.
"That is modern revelation. May I repeat? Modern revelation is what President Joseph Smith said, unless [then] President Spencer W. Kimball says differently"[xxv]
If you are told by your leader to do a thing, DO IT! None of your business if it is right or wrong.[xxvi]
LDS Prophet (from 1985 to 1994), Ezra T. Benson proclaimed:
a. The Prophet rightly should be in politics… after all, we do need God in Government.
b. The Prophet is above all humanity, above all scripture, above all the other prophets, above scientific knowledge and Must Be Obeyed.
Sometimes, in American politics, we are asked to focus more on the platform than the candidate, because we can trust the party and the candidate's advisors to keep the candidate on the 'straight and narrow' as best they can.
In Mitt Romney's case, his oath of office has already been sworn in a sacred LDS Temple ceremony. That oath is to the Mormon Plan for America and it will supersede any oath of office as President.
And it doesn't really matter in the LDS scheme of things if Mitt Romney does not make it to the Oval Office, or even the office of Vice President. This Mormon Plan for America has been in the shadows for over 160 years. The Brethren believe it is their birthright, their purpose, their destiny to usher in the purification of the earth for Christ's return.
They did not give up on the plan when Joseph Smith failed in his bid for the Presidency, nor did they give up when George Romney withdrew his bid. They will rejoice if Mitt makes it, but if not, they will merely look ahead to the one who will usher in the "Kingdom of God" in the soon coming future. Meanwhile, they will continue to prompt their people to file for every level of public office, to be ready when the wonderful fulfillment of prophecy comes.
Yup. The Mormons are adjacent to the two break-off Mormon groups (Temple Lot + RLDS/Church of Christ) in Independence, MO. Temple Lot owns the property that Joseph Smith prophesied that the Mormon Jesus would return to.
The two Lds general authority quotes below alone show the political machinations the Mormon church has for the world:
| Lds Leader | Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) | Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words) | |
| John Taylor | Lds 'Prophet' #3 | “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862) | |
| Orson Hyde | President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) | “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53) |
Btw, Lds "apostle" Hyde was so dedicated to Joseph Smith that he allowed his wife to "marry" and sleep with Smith from April 1842 until Smith's death 26 months later.
At age 27, Marinda Johnson Hyde became Smith's 11th wife -- the 7th commandeered by Smith as wives already married to other men. (Smith continued to do this at least four more times).
Here's a Youtube clip on this: Story of Marinda Johnson Hyde, Joseph Smith's 11th wife
And believe me, if Mormon "prophets" who run for US president -- like Joseph Smith -- are willing to commandeer about 11 wives of other men, what won't they commandeer under their theocratic guise of religio-socialism/communism?
“All property, including liquid assets will be deeded to the “kingdom””
Does that include BEER?
Hold up there Pilgrim, hands off my BEER!
Forget Romney, there are better Mormons out there; I wouldn’t be too perturbed too see Glenn Beck sailing this ship, just sayin...
Of course.. and we will all know the “secret “ handshake
Have you ever studied Mormonism?? Look up the White horse prophecy on line
yea by a Mormon president.. with the guiding council of his hand picked mormon "priests"..Note he does not deny the "savior' will be Mormon
Brash unsubstantiated accusations and victim-hood tugs at the emotions of the unwitting...
Trying to re-frame the grandiose statements of the “prophet’ into consumable words in a more knowledgeable age is always problematic...
(Yeah, this is what we thought, Rip...thanks for confirming that some Lds think that Romney or some other Mormon Prez will save the constitution...that some Mormon(s) will ride in on their White Horse to save it)
Nice try. You obviously snipped this part out on purpose.
“But it will not be saved in Washington.”
I told myself I wound’t come back to these threads for a reason... now I remember why.
I’m done.
I find it funny that the Mormon candidate Mitt Romney’s name almost rhymes with Polygamy.
It’s not irony, but you have to admit a funny coincidence there.
Rip. It's real simple: Since the puppet strings extend all the way back to Salt Lake City HQ. Of course it won't be saved in Washington! (Lds recognize that more than anybody!)
We already have a mormon president
Barak Hussein Obama is a mormon...
His mother Stanley Ann Dunham was dead dunked into mormonism in June 2008 had endowments and everything possible and then sealed to her children so that they too are now mormons...
Gosh that white horse thingy is for Obama...
Hes getting more white and delightsome every day...
No you are finished here. You were done a long time ago...
Now you’ll get our MORMON freepers all in a tizzy with this kinda stuff!
PLEASE!
Point out the lies for those who do not know the truth of the matter!
Since the rest was QUOTED from MORMON sources; I'll assume that some MORMONs with knowledge of LATER publications will post them, so as to keep bad information from being propagated about MORMONism.
And yet; like a moth to a flame...
Do YOU care?
Other than to ACCUSE?
SHOW the lies and you'll have wiped out the FI's!
Nah; we got's Huntsman, too!
Uh... we gots Harry Reid, also!)
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