How To Witness To Mormons - Our Philosophy of Ministry

Nice toss Sandy. Of course per usual the landing is a dud...

Now if you want to actually contribute to the discussion grab some facts and evidence and join us...

Please point put mormon bashing?
I don’t know what you are talking about.

Its a statement of fact Sandy, pure and simple. Mormonism is NOT the pathway to the father. there is only one of those.

If that is seen as “condemning to hell” of any individual perhaps it is that individual who may want to investigate why it bothers them so...

When was it that Christ stopped talking to His bride?
People who go to hell go there on their own accord.
If just being “good” were enough, there would have been no need for the Cross.
When you say the Christ showed Himself to Smith which version are you speaking of the 1st, the 2nd or possibly the 14th?

"Through revelations by Jesus Christ himself to the Prophet Joseph Smith..."

An oft repeated myth.

"Christ himself uttered these words during the First Vision “... and all of their Creeds are an abomination to me ....”

JS wrote the First Vision® ambiguously enough to permit others to come to that conclusion.

The narrative (1st vision, [pick a version]) is ambiguous, it does not clearly state that God and Jesus, came down, nor does he claim to have heard the name of Jesus, just "this is my beloved son..." (That IS NOT "confessing" Jesus). It's implied through the use of descriptive language. But at no time does the personage (spirit) state absolutely that it was Jesus who was going to "speak" to JS. It's an assumption on the part of mormons to believe that Christ spoke to him. JS never recorded that he was speaking to God or that Jesus was speaking to him.

The use of the word "Personages" is in no way an adequate description of God and Jesus, I don't care how you try to spin that.

1 John:

4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

4:5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.

4:6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

First off, the warning about testing the spirits and the fact those false prophets would be known by their worldliness. Well, JS was quite worldly. He was a lecher, a thief, a con-man, etc. Many of the things JS did while he was the "prophet" were the behaviors that are in direct contradiction of a Godly man. There were a lot of "convenient" "revelations" that "permitted" him a great deal of latitude.

Secondly, the "personages" description and the failure of the spirits to clearly identify and confess Jesus during the purported 1st vision.

Wishing something to be true doesn't make it true.

The mormons HAVE to believe JS was telling the truth or the whole, vile, scam comes crashing down around their heads. The Bible stands on its own, the BoM not so. The D&C, nothing but a collection of heresies and blasphemies.

“The Mormon’s eternal soul is at stake and he does not know he is perishing.” Ok, just how is this statement condemning you (mormons) to hell. It is a statement that your soul is at stake and you don't know you are going to hell. It is statement of concern, that you maybe going to hell and not know it. Sandy, people go to hell on their own accord, they go with their eyes wide open, it is truly sad.

I thank my Heavenly Father, His Son Jesus Christ (my Savior), and the Holy Ghost that my “eternal soul” is not in your puny hands.

That is your response to my post? Wow
I concluded with this statement: The Biblical Jesus loves you and does not want you to spend eternity away from Him. Rejoice, Sandy He is calling you.

Careful, Saundra, you’re not being perfect, you’re not earning the atonement.

Peepstone prophet popcorn placemarker.

Also, destroying the historical foundations of Mormonism isn't preaching the gospel.

It's a REALLY good place to start!

So what if they turn to atheism?

They are in no worse shape than before!

When your house gets washed away, you think about building the next one on a BETTER foundation!

Matthew 7:24-27

that is completely opposite what all you venomous mormon bashers do on FR, isn’t it?

Hiss!

Got some MORMON archeology you'd like to show us?

that is completely opposite what all you venomous mormon bashers do on FR, isn’t it?

Why no, Ma'am: we are NOT afraid of snakes!

I believe that Mormons have put the Christ back into Christianity.

You DO?

Why?

Through revelations by Jesus Christ himself to the Prophet Joseph Smith...

Polygamy: How it all got Started

Joe: Hey Emma! Guess what!?

Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?

Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.

Emma: WHAT!? You ding bat! Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says? After all; YOU are the one that translated it!

Joe: Books; schmooks. All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!

Emma: "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"

Joe: Silly Woman! You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!

...and the rest is HISTORY...

THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

Or even HERE:

1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

Emma: That's IT! I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!

Joe: DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!! Wait!!! I hear a voice again!!!

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 132

  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to ^aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.

  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, ^areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.

  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been ^afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.

  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and ^acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be ^bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.

  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ^ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of ^beternal lives in the eternal worlds.

  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid ^aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to ^brejoice.

Sandy is back and feeling rather smug

Glenn beck went to Israel and got up in Jerusalem and “proclaimed” “I am a jew”

Well anyone knowing mormonism knows that although that is a copycat of what JFK said “I am a Berliner”

Unlike Kennedy, Beck was not just identifying with the people of Israel...

Beck was saying “Im a jew. You are not a Jew. You lot are just all gentiles. I am a REAL jew.”

“GET BACK. I HAVE ARRIVED...”

The mormons claim that they will be the ones who build the temple in jerusalem...

However they tend to forget that that endtime temple is going to be DESTROYED

Oh noez

Well the mormons gave the mayor of jerusalem $1 Million and tried to get him to let them build right on the slopes of the Mount of Olives...

THe mayor said “No”

Oh noez

The Mormons are desparate to get a mormon into the Whote House so they can be in control over America and be self fulfilling in their white horse prophecy by so called “saving the Constitution”

However no matter what happens politically, it wont be part of the Kingdom of God...

The Kingdom of God is Spiritual, ...God is Spirit...

while mans plans and laws are damnable things that will be destroyed when the LORD Jesus comes for His Bride the Church...

The Mormons claim that the LORD Jesus is coming back to their jerusalem in Independance, Missouri...

and that the mormons will rule over the world with Him

But the LORD Jesus Christ told us that His kingdom is not of this world or built with hands...

It pays to read the Bible...

When God came and died on the Cross to save us with His substitional Blood and was made a curse in our place, He planned to take us to His kingdom in Heaven to live there with Him for eternity...

The Mormons are so messed up and confused they have themselves living on their own planet while they are here on Earth “ruling and reigning” at the same time...

They will be with their families but will be on separate planets as either sheiks or concubines while again they will be visiting from floor to floor in a big apartment building warehouse for mormon “spirits”

The top pentehouses will be residences for those entitled to a life of carnality and luxury with “gentile” slaves ...

(Who are the “gentiles” ???

All the Jews living in Israel and around the world...

All non-mormons, Christians included...)

Can you imagine a Jew being identified as a “gentile” ???

Is it any wonder that the Jews blew shofars and booed Beck the first time he went to Israel ???

Is it any wonder only men who dont know God or the Bible or those deceived are standing with Beck on Israel or politics and US history ???

Is it any wonder that Beck cried with his crocidile tears in Israel and complained when some faithful loving Christians used the oppotunity that the Holy Spirit gave them to witness the true Gospel to him...

But he reject them...and the LORD Jesus Christ...

But they wont lose their reward...

They obeyed God...seized the moment ...walked through the door God opened for them and preached the Gospel...

and those mormon missionaries/storm troopers that went to Israel with Beck didnt stop them..LOL

God was pleased with them...

The devil was so mad that they had told Beck about Jesus and that he was in error and sin and in need of the Savior...

The devil had Beck mock and announce his hatred for the Words that were told him by crying and accusing on his show in Jerusalem...

Would we have known that some sweet Christians had got to tell beck the truth if the devil hadnt played his hand and told ???

God bless those bold as a lion Christians for obeying God anhd preaching to the lost Glenn Beck...

Glenn Beck is preaching a lost cause and unfortunately a lot of people are following him because they dont know the Bible...

~~Non-LDS Christianity~~ MORMONs, believe that those who may be good people but who do not believe as they do will get damned with an acetylene torch burning on them for eternity.

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

...I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages so called...

your moderator buddy is complicient

As Resty would say: BIAS

your moderator buddy is complicient

MORMONs sure miss the Good Ol' Days on FR; when they could spout with impunity...