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How To Witness To Mormons - Our Philosophy of Ministry ^ | Undated | Eli Brayley

Posted on 09/15/2011 6:02:54 PM PDT by Graybeard58

There are basically two ways Christians witness to Mormons. One is to demolish Mormonism in an apologetic way, the other is to expose Mormonism in a theological way. The former deals with Mormon history, false prophecies, archaeology, DNA, etc. The latter deals with sin, repentance, atonement, the gospel, etc. Most people take the first approach, but we, the Oasis ministry in Utah, take the second.

The first may make many ex-Mormons, but it doesn't necessarily make believers. Actually, it can be counterproductive. Once Mormons realize Mormonism is false they typically move into atheism because it is almost impossible for them to disassociate their knowledge of God, the Bible and Jesus from their Mormon worldview. They are so wounded from having been lied to that they hesitate to trust any religious consideration afterward and default into heavy skepticism. Also, destroying the historical foundations of Mormonism isn't preaching the gospel.

The message we are called to preach is the same message for all people whether they are Mormon or not: we are called to preach Christ crucified, the only salvation for sinners. Apologetics are certainly useful in destroying people’s confidence in Mormonism as a valid historical religion, but the most important thing is that Mormons come to place their confidence in Jesus Christ as the only sufficient Savior from their sins.

Often, these two goals conflict with each other. Therefore, the approach we believe is the best way to witness to Mormons is the theological approach: to elucidate the Biblical message of sin, righteousness and faith by challenging Mormonism on its own theological ground. People do not need correct Christian doctrine to realize that they are sinners… they need it to solve that problem!

Walking Mormons through their own doctrinal system to its logical conclusions will show to the Mormons that they are sinners, and will reveal to them the impossibility of being justified before God by their works, opening the door to share with them the true gospel of grace. Besides all this, the first approach almost always leads to an argument where the Mormon feels persecuted and attacked, making the wall go up even more.

Probing Mormonism theologically forces the Mormon to dig deep for real answers. No petty arguments will satisfy difficult theological problems within their own "gospel". As they dig, they discover, not only that they have no answers, but also that their spiritual condition is much worse than they thought. Few Mormons have ever thought deeply through their own theology, as their religion wisely discourages. In a friendly way, we seek to give them the opportunity.

The means we use to go about doing this is the Socratic method: asking questions. Mormons love talking about their religion... they want to evangelize you! So let them! Ask them what their message is... why is there a gospel... what is the problem that the gospel addresses... etc… etc… etc. As they respond, think of related questions to ask that will help them reflect upon their answers. Don’t worry if you aren’t very good at this at first.

Using the Socratic method will become more natural as you practice talking with Mormons on a regular basis. As well, we shouldn’t need to have a pre-packaged cookiecutter conversation with them, because that is what they do. Mormons are trained to speak the same things as if from a script, but we should come in the opposite spirit, as Jesus taught His disciples (Luke 21:14-15). We don't have to be experts on Mormonism, but we should be experts on the gospel. If we grasp the basic concepts of the gospel and rely on the Spirit for words, we’ll be able to witness to any person from any religion at any time. We don't need to worry about every question or word to be planned. This allows for each conversation to be unique.

There must be a direction and a goal to which this questioning ultimately leads. The point, or goal, when using the Socratic method on Mormonism’s theological system, is to bring the Mormon to the place of seeing that Mormonism’s plan of salvation does not save him.

The place of ultimate tension surrounds the atonement: this will be the climax of the conversation and it is here that the heart of the spiritual battle will be waged. Mormons acknowledge that Jesus made atonement for our sins so that we could be forgiven in order to return to God. It is not necessary to address all the weird doctrines they hold (like the nature of God or that they believe the atonement was made in the Garden of Gethsemane) because the point is to show them how Mormonism itself, in all its weirdness, does not save. We will get to those things eventually, but for now it does not serve our purpose to go into them, and will likely only hinder our objective.

When I am witnessing to Mormons, if they make a remark about some weird point of doctrine, I usually just say nothing, neither affirmative nor negative, but move on with the goal of the conversation.

The one great question is: “How does a person receive the atonement?” Since a person’s eternal destiny hangs upon this one question, then the answer is of infinite importance. It is at this point that Mormonism fails.

When it all boils down, Mormon doctrine teaches that a person must utterly forsake all of his or her sins in order to receive the atonement. This, of course, is impossible. Their primary manual, Gospel Principles, reads: “We accept Christ’s atonement by repenting of our sins, being baptized, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and obeying all the commandments. In this way we are cleansed from sin and become worthy to return and live forever with our Heavenly Father… Christ did his part to atone for our sins.

Each of us must repent and obey to make Christ’s atonement effective in our lives.” (Gospel Principles, p. 50-51, 1978) According to Mormonism, the forgiveness of sins is not a free gift purchased by Christ for the individual, but something that the individual must earn through personal worthiness by obedience to the commandments of God.

In Contrast, the Bible teaches that eternal life is the free gift of God for sinful men. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9) This vital disparity between grace and works is the main point of contrast and conflict between Biblical Christianity and Mormonism and it is this that must be addressed.

It is not necessary to discuss baptism or receiving the Holy Ghost (even though Mormons may wish to get sidetracked on these or other like issues) because according to Mormonism repentance must first precede all things. A person must be worthy to even be baptized: “All those who have truly repented of all their sins shall be received by baptism into his church.” (D&C 20:37) Nothing comes for nothing in Mormonism. Even “faith” is described as: “having such trust in Christ that we obey whatever he commands.” (Gospel Principles, p. 118) In Mormonism, the individual’s worthiness through works is clearly the entire matter.

If Mormonism were true, that we “accept Christ’s atonement by repenting of our sins…”, then two obvious questions arise out of this “gospel”: 1) what is repentance? And 2) how good do I have to be to be worthy enough to receive the atonement? As we dig, we shall see how patently impossible it is for Mormonism to save anybody.

One must only look to the official church manuals in order to get into the Mormon mindset and understand how they define their terms. This paragraph from the chapter entitled “Repentance” in Gospel Principles, which includes a quote from the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, gives us the explanation: “It does little good to admit that we have sinned if we do not stop doing the evil thing. If we truly repent of our sins, we will do them no more.

If a person has stolen, he will steal no more. If he has lied, he will lie no more. If he committed adultery, he will stop this evil practice. The Lord said to the Prophet Joseph Smith: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins – behold, he will confess them and forsake them.” (Gospel Principles, p. 91, 1978)

Spencer Kimball, the late President of the Mormon Church stated: “There is one crucial test of repentance. This is abandonment of the sin… the saving power does not extend to him who merely wants to change his life… nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon sin… to ‘try’ is weak. To ‘do the best I can’ is not strong. We must always do better than we can.” (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 163-165)

The Mormon definition of repentance is to actually and permanently forsake one’s sin. Therefore, according to their own doctrine, in order for a Mormon to accept the atonement and receive the forgiveness of sins, he or she must completely come to an end of sinning and keep the commandments of God. It's very simple: If you don't repent of your sins, you don't receive the atonement. There is no “try”.

The devastating blow that eliminates all the Mormon’s excuses for not doing so (and there will be excuses) comes from one of the most cardinal doctrines of their theological system. That is: that God never gives a command that we cannot keep, no matter how difficult or how great. “For I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.” (1 Nephi 3:7)

Therefore, when God commands us to “deny ourselves of all ungodliness” (Moroni 10:32) and to “repent of all our sin” (Helaman 14:13), we are well able to do it. If we don't do it, we are to blame, not God. There is no legitimate reason why a person does not keep all the commandments all the time in Mormonism.

Some Mormons are right now struggling intensely with this very problem. Many others have never connected the dots and still think that as long as they just “try their best” they will be fine. They have conveniently forgotten that to the God of Mormonism, a person’s best is perfection. By asking the right questions and by helping them connect the dots, they will be forced to admit that they have no excuse for their willful rebellion (the Biblical answer as to why men do not obey the commandments).

The Mormon “gospel” is a hopeless hamster wheel: All have sinned and so the atonement was given. However, to get the atonement we must not sin. Therefore no person, past, present or future, has, or will ever have, the atonement. Wasn’t the atonement given because we couldn’t keep the commandments? Why then would the condition be to receive the atonement, ‘Keep the commandments’? We had already proven that that was impossible! Thus it is that Mormonism does not save. “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” (Galatians 2:21)

At this point, those whose consciences are sensitive will be distraught by their sin. Others, whose consciences are less sensitive, may become uneasy and bear to you their testimony. Mormons are under intense pressure to earn God’s grace, so the realization that they have not succeeded in securing it can often be very troubling. As the Bible teaches, the commandments were given by God to overwhelm the sinner so that he would despair of all hope in his own self and in his own works, constraining him to flee to Christ that he might be justified by faith (Galatians 3:24).

This is what we are seeking to do, using the law, Mormon style. Many have sought to alleviate that pressure by lowering the standard to a safe artificial level, but as instruments in the Redeemer’s hands we are to raise that standard to its true and terrifying place and lay the pressure on.

Our temptation will be to hold back and not make people uncomfortable over their sin (a false concern for man), but in reality the most caring thing that we can possibly do for people is to speak the truth in love, even when it isn’t popular (a true concern for man).

A doctor must first tell his patients the bad news before he will be able to convince them to submit to his treatments. The Mormon’s eternal soul is at stake, and he does not know that he is perishing. Therefore we must, for love’s sake, be willing to make him uncomfortable that he might be brought to Jesus Christ for salvation.

Once he sees the futility of his own theology, and he asks, “Well, how do you get the atonement?!”, then the door will be open for you to share the true gospel of the grace of God with him and you'll have quite a “sponge” of an audience. This is the place to declare the truth clearly and cuttingly, proclaiming the difference between Mormon and Christian salvation. They need to hear the real good news. Truly, Mormons are dying for want of grace.

As for your demeanor when you speak with them, be sensitive, meek and kind, for they expect that all non-Mormons, especially Christians, are out to persecute them. You will thoroughly bewilder them if you drive the sword of truth into their conscience with meekness.

It is very easy to get frustrated with Mormons because they are so blind and cannot see the blatantly obvious, but if you picture them in your mind to be wearing dark glasses and holding in their hands white canes, it will help you to not become frustrated but rather will move you to compassion. Nearly all Mormons were born into the lie and have been conditioned to believe it from their childhood, knowing nothing else.

Being open and honest about your sins is as refreshing as cold water to Mormons, for theirs is a culture of extreme hypocrisy and judgmentalism. This is because they are anxiously striving to look good before men and to appear to all that they are keeping the commandments (after all, that is how they believe they are right with God).

If you are real with them and honest about your own sins, it will help them be real with you and honest about their sins… a thing most rare. If you aren’t real, Mormons can spot a hypocrite a mile away! (It takes one to know one, right?)

Nor should you be discouraged when it looks as if a conversation has been in vain. Mormons are very good at hiding their true feelings and you never know when the Spirit of God is convicting and drawing an individual to Himself. There are so many stories of people who have been brought to Christ while all along the Christians who had witnessed to them had no idea that their words were making any difference. Therefore, never give up!

These are the principles that we have found to be the most effective when sharing the gospel with Mormons. It’s a theological approach which uses the Socratic method to show the impossibility of Mormonism, opening the door to share the true gospel of grace.

Unlike the apologetic approach, this approach bypasses the pitfalls of atheism, almost always prevents them from feeling persecuted, and is thoroughly based upon the message of Christ crucified. The principles shown here extend far beyond Mormonism, for Mormonism is just one branch on the tree of self-righteousness. As stated before, we don’t need to be experts on Mormonism, but we should be experts on the gospel.

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1 posted on 09/15/2011 6:02:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

*** Once Mormons realize Mormonism is false they typically move into atheism because it is almost impossible for them to disassociate their knowledge of God,****

Years ago I saw Madalyne Murray O’Hair on the Larry King show, some time before she took her dirt nap.

On the show she said that the best atheists were former Mormons and Catholics.

2 posted on 09/15/2011 6:13:31 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I prefer to be called Theist in as much as I know there is a great creator of all things, however I believe that all organized religion is only about egoistic idiots full of themselves and the money they can extract from the eyes glazed over believers.

Sorry, Mormon family and friends, this how I see it.

3 posted on 09/15/2011 6:23:04 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: Graybeard58

goodness gracious! that is completely opposite what all you venomous mormon bashers do on FR, isn’t it?

4 posted on 09/15/2011 6:24:02 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Never bashed a Mormon in my life, nor have I witnessed it on this forum.

If you see it, report it to the religion mod.

5 posted on 09/15/2011 6:39:50 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Utah Binger

That’s ironic. I’ve always believed those theists that eschew organized religions were egotistical idiots full of themselves because they’ll acknowledge a creator, but catagorically refuse to acknowledge any revelation or authority about that creator higher than their own opinion, no matter how haphazardly formed.

6 posted on 09/15/2011 6:40:32 PM PDT by papertyger (Founding member of the "Never Make It To Akbar" Club.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Refuting Mormon theology insofar as it claims to be a branch of Christianity, is not “bashing.”

It is educating.

7 posted on 09/15/2011 6:44:53 PM PDT by papertyger (Founding member of the "Never Make It To Akbar" Club.)
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Sounds like you’re full of yourself as well.

No, my thoughts are that no one gets any revelation at all no matter what stupid and silly talking points they falsely try to get the idiots to believe. And those that fall for it are really shallow idiots.

I hope you’re not one of them.

8 posted on 09/15/2011 6:59:00 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where INVITED Freepers will meet again next summer. Jim Robinson Too)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Madalyne Murray O’Hair...

I think about her every so often. And wonder if the temperature suits her.

9 posted on 09/15/2011 7:15:48 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Graybeard58

Or Attack Watch.

10 posted on 09/15/2011 7:23:57 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
Or Attack Watch.

That has to be the most hilarious web site ever.

11 posted on 09/15/2011 7:32:46 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: rabidralph
I'm surprised it's still up and running. Perhaps no one dares to tell obama he is the object of universal ridicule and he's too dumb to know it all on his own.
12 posted on 09/15/2011 7:34:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: papertyger

I believe that Mormons have put the Christ back into Christianity.

Non-LDS Christianity, believe that those who may be good people but who do not believe as they do will get damned with an acetylene torch burning on them for eternity.

This is neither justice or mercy ... and neither is their dark-age view of Jesus Christ.

Through revelations by Jesus Christ himself to the Prophet Joseph Smith, Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) have learned what Paul ment in 1 Cor 15:29 as well as his descriptions of a 3rd Heaven as well as the resurection being in the glory of the Sun, Moon and Stars.

Jesus Christ is once again speaking to manking ... and has shown that he is Just and Merciful ... instead of the antiquated, viewpoints that were forced on Christianity by Pagan Monarchs such as Constanitie and political intrigue through the dark ages.

Rejoice oh Earth .... Christ has set his hand again to establish his church in preparation for his second coming!

13 posted on 09/15/2011 8:10:11 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: Utah Binger
Sounds like you’re full of yourself as well.

Not really. I just know easy contempt is usually born of utter ignorance.

For example, by what standard do you consider your "thoughts" any more valid than those you hold in contempt?

Furthermore, if your opinion were provably wrong, how could someone prove it to you?

Understand that is NOT a rhetorical question. If you have not worked out what it would take to prove you wrong, even if someone DOES prove it you won't recognize that fact any more than a blind man will recognize when a lizard changes color.

14 posted on 09/15/2011 8:21:56 PM PDT by papertyger (Founding member of the "Never Make It To Akbar" Club.)
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To: teppe

Christ never left Christianity that he should need to be restored to it.

Moreover, the notion that Christianity teaches good people go to hell for not being in the club is as childish and ridiculous as the idea that heaven is an eternity of harp playing on fluffy white clouds.

15 posted on 09/15/2011 8:29:39 PM PDT by papertyger (Founding member of the "Never Make It To Akbar" Club.)
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To: teppe

Who taught you there is even one “good man?” That’s not the message of the Bible.

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17And the way of peace have they not known: 18There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Romans 3:10-18)

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (Isaiah 64:6)

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned (Romans 5:12)

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. (Psalm 51:5)

16 posted on 09/15/2011 9:11:43 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Graybeard58
Once Mormons realize Mormonism is false they typically move into atheism because it is almost impossible for them to disassociate their knowledge of God, the Bible and Jesus from their Mormon worldview.

Actually knew a Woman who was married to a Mormonm Bishop when they came to the conclusion that Mormonism was a lie. They divorced and both of them slept around with a number of others, reasoning that if Mormonism was a lie, then so were all other religions; so there was no moral objection to unmarried sex. This gal's ex-husband stated dating and sleeping with her best friend ansd she saw no problem with that. The had nine children ranging from 2 to 21 at the time.

17 posted on 09/15/2011 10:49:44 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: teppe; papertyger; Utah Binger; .45 Long Colt; F15Eagle

If “goodness” were a prerequisite for entrance to Heaven, only dogs would go there.

19 posted on 09/16/2011 4:15:28 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: teppe

“I believe that Mormons have put the Christ back into Christianity.”

No, mormons have attempted to re-define Jesus and to put a counterfeit Christ into Christianity.

Mormonism’s validity rests solely on whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God....and he was lacking.

1. He lived a life of sin - serial adulterer and treasure seeker
2. He failed to make accurate predictions of future events
3. There’s no factual basis to back his claims
4. His story about the 1st vision changed numerous times

I’m sorry you have been duped into believing the lies of that con artist. I’ll pray that you come to believe in the true, biblical Christianity.

20 posted on 09/16/2011 5:49:46 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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