Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
If there's ignorance of a doctrine here, then a good place to begin would be straightening it out within your own definitions first. This is what I found when I looked up "Co-Redemptrix".
The concept of Co-redemptrix refers to an indirect or unequal but important participation by the Blessed Virgin Mary in redemption, notably: that she gave free consent to give life to the Redeemer, to share his life, to suffer with him under the cross, to offer His sacrifice to God the Father for the sake of the redemption of mankind, and to bring about all particular post-assumption graces by way of intercession.
You're right that Mary isn't a co-equal participant, she's not a participant in our Redemption at all. She gave birth to Christ, she didn't have anything to do with His redemption of mankind. As for saying that Mary isn't called the Mediatrix by the RCC, here's some quotes for you from the Catholic Planet website. (www.catholicplanet.com)
Second Vatican Council: “Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix and Mediatrix. This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from, nor adds anything to, the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.” (Lumen Gentium, n. 62.)
Pope Leo XIII: “The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace; being by worthiness and by merit most acceptable to Him, and, therefore, surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven. Now, this merciful office of hers, perhaps, appears in no other form of prayer so manifestly as it does in the Rosary. For in the Rosary all the part that Mary took as our co-Redemptress comes to us, as it were, set forth, and in such wise as though the facts were even then taking place; and this with much profit to our piety, whether in the contemplation of the succeeding sacred mysteries, or in the prayers which we speak and repeat with the lips.” (Iucunda Semper Expectatione, n. 2)
Now, what was that lie you were trying to get past about Mary not being called a Co-Redeemer?
Yeah, there’s a big difference between Christianity and churchianity, and too many people cannot understand the difference.
I daresay that churchianity has done more to drive people from Christ than anything else Satan has come up with.
Probably
Calvinism is Bible based Christianity. Islam has nothing to do with the Abrahamic Covenant. Allah is not the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. From Peter through the pen of Mark Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, Breathtaking ignorance !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Mark 12:28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing,
and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him,
"What commandment is the foremost of all?"
'HEAR, O ISRAEL! YHvH OUR ELOHIM YHvH IS ONE
Deuteronomy 6:4
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
There's a thread for that:
Catholics with celiac disease can now take the host at communion with low-gluten wafer
Monsanto's genetically-modified Eucharist (Catholic / Orthodox Caucus)
No Genetically Modified Jesus! (Important Issu!) [Catholic Caucus]
I guess you missed post 5 on THIS thread. Of all threads to make that claim on this Swiss cheese one because of that post is not the one to choose.
Right. *Come home* but in the meantime, you'd better NOT show your face on one of our caucus threads or you're toast, buddy.
I realize that the RM isn't going to delve into denominational debates, but blatant falsehoods in the name of smearing a Christian's witness should not be allowed in the Religion Forum wouldn't you think? Quix has never advocated this lie that you're propagating, but you see no problem with repeating it. And you Catholics wonder why everyone else thinks you guys are hypocrites and liars when it comes to the Truth.
As the old saying goes, either establish this as a fact with two or more witnesses or be called out for a liar and deceiver just like your Father was. Figs don't come from Thistles.
What these stats prove is that when scripture becomes just one more “truth” among many the creeds have no power ...
NO, I did notice that it was the Catholics who most often rely on the RCC organization rather then Christ.
Add this:
....let’s look at some people who have in fact called the Virgin Mary the Co-redemptrix: John Paul II (on six different occasions); Bl. Mother Teresa of Calcutta; St. Padre Pio, stigmatic wonder worker of the 20th century; Sr. Lucia, the Fatima visionary; St. Francis Cabrini, the first American citizen to be canonized; St. Jose Maria Escriva, founder of the Opus Dei; St. Edith Stein, co-patroness of Europe; papal theologians Cardinals Ciappiand Cottier; contemporary Church leaders such as Cardinal Schönborn, General Secretary of the Catechism of the Catholic Church; Mother Angelica, foundress of worldwide Catholic television and radio network EWTN; and a host of other saints, popes, mystics, prelates, theologians, doctors of the Church, and lay leaders, with an ecclesial line of succession dating back to the 14th century.Do we see dangerous extremism, heresy, or any anti-ecumenical spirit in people like John Paul II and Mother Teresa? Would saints like Padre Pio and Mother Cabrini participate in Marian excess to the detriment of Jesus and his Church? Would Cristoph Cardinal Schönborn, general editor of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, use and defend the Co-redemptrix title if it were in any way unorthodox or theologically questionable? Would a Fatima visionary use, explain and defend the Co-redemptrix title six times in her last great writing, Calls from the Message of Fatima, when doing so would be offensive to the Holy See, who granted the imprimatur to her book? Or, even more, to Our Lady herself, with whom Sr. Lucia experienced direct mystical communications for decades?
Why, then, would we fear calling Mary the Co-redemptrix with Jesus, the divine Redeemer of humanity, when these pontiffs, saints, theologians and mystics for the past 700 years have done so?
-- from the thread Are You Afraid of Mary “Co-redemptrix”?
C0 in Latin means “with”
The Blessed Virgin Mary came bearing the child Jesus.
The Blessed Virgin Mary came “with” the Son of God and Son of Man within her womb.
Hope that clarifies your misinformation. BTW, I don’t think you offered sources (Live-Links) for all that.
What I am posting is common Latin language knowledge.
Not to mention Catholic teachings on Mary, and Vatican Councils coming up with new and improved Mary teachings.
THe words co-redeemer and mediatrix do not appear in the Catechism? Is that right? However they DO appear in Catholic teachings. I have a whole list right in front of me.
You're correct that I forgot my link, so here it is. Sorry about that.
However, while I agree with what you've posted here, that doesn't begin to cover what the Catholic Church attempts to teach about Mary. Like I said, I have no problem venerating her, just don't worship her as co-redeemer, which is what the RCC seems to be teaching.
Baseless opinion, nothing more.
It's simply justification for condemning Protestantism as a whole.
It is rather ironic and hypocritical from people who follow a man themselves, Peter to be exact.
Catholics are so ingrained with the following a religious leader mentality, that it's clearly beyond their comprehension that someone can follow Christ alone, and have faith in Him without someone holding their hand.
For example, to one Freeper the statement "Catholics worship Mary" is absolute truth but to another it is a damnable lie.
**taxpayer supported.**
Yikes. I didn’t think about that. Of course, it’s true. A lot of “tax-paying” people would be upset to know about the full time Muslim and the sound-proof room they get vs. the ones for Catholics and Christian denominations. Me among them!
Plus the treatment of women by Muslims just horrifies me.
Nobody’s ever been toasted. Of course, some deathless protestant prose HAS been deleted. Oh, the humanity!
Much of what has been definitively defined as doctrine by the Church came about because of heresy. When such heretical beliefs became widespread or threatened orthodoxy, the Church had to move to make a final declaration of Truth.
It has been thus from the very beginning and it is why an authority is necessary to protect orthodoxy.
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